Self inflicted damage problem

Borderlands 3 Amara the Siren
#1

Hi all,

I have an issue with my build and I can’t work out for the life of me what the problem is. It’s likely either a bug or me misreading/misinterpreting something but here goes.

I run with the transformer shield and in a pinch I shoot around me with a shock Lob to heal me. This works fine until recently, specifically when I use this class mod:

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Now after using an action skill (phaseslam) with fire or corrosive, it damages my health but shields remain full. This lasts for a while until I receive no health damage and no shield loss (increased as intended).

This is the effects in play a split second after action skill:

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I strongly suspect it’s something to do with Rush stacks, specifically in relation to this mod and maybe in relation to the +weapon damage and +splash damage. When removing Violent Tapestry with this ‘problematic’ mod, I can’t replicate the problem.

Using my other normal mod (a breaker) and even other phaseserkers, with and without Conflux and with different values, I can’t replicate this in the same way. Amara’s arms from helping hands do appear as if I’m receiving some damage but I get no health or shield loss.

The Lob I use is a Shock Lob at about 20k damage with a gunner anointment (so gun anointments aren’t the problem here).

This is my build with Violent Tapestry on:

https://bl3zone.com/planner/AAA5BC4BF5BN5BQ1BR3CB5CC5CD3CE5CF1CH5CJ1CK5CL1CM1CN-ac1ANef1ACel1AI

So assuming rush stacks are the problem, why? In theory I should have more rush stacks but still shouldn’t hurt me and increased splash damage radius shouldn’t hurt me as I’m still using shock gun on a shock-absorbing shield.

I don’t believe guardian rank skills are the problem but for sake of being thorough, here’s my progress here:

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As I say, I reckon it’s either a bug or I’m overlooking something but I would appreciate any help. I can get other screenshots or test other stuff or even clear up some points here if I’m not making sense.

Thanks!

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#2

Conflux adds the chance to apply a second element when ever you cause a status effect.

You’re causing an electrocution on your self and Conflux is adding a melt or burn

Conflux is a skill on the com

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#3

I thought that so I tried another phasezerker without Conflux and STILL got the problem, thus eliminating Conflux as the problem.

In addition, it doesn’t happen when I have shock as my action element, even with this mod.

#4

Did you try it after a reset?

Sometimes, having put the com on activates the effect, and taking it off doesn’t fully turn it off.

Please try the no Conflux com after loading in. I’ll keep brainstorming in the meantime

Wait. Scratch all that.

Brb

Odd. I need to think on this.

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#5

My guess would be that you are either specced into infusion or conflux, both of these will kill you with splash from your weapon. Particularly if your specced into infusion and are using fire or corrosive as your action skill element.

#6

You said scratch that but I tried anyway and still happening.

@jeff59 Nothing spent on either Infusion or Conflux. Only time Conflux is touched is when using the class mod above but as I can replicate the issue with different phaserserkers, ones including 2 points of Conflux and no Conflux at all, I don’t believe this is the issue. (Unless for some reason the weapon modifiers effect it, but I don’t see why as it’s just increased damage, not different types of).

#7

Your COM is increasing the Splash Damage Radius. So what ever it is that is making it worse.

I saw this thread and assumed Moze. :slight_smile:

#8

I need you to do some odd tests? If you have Kevin or set to low Mayhem and shoot skags. I need you to use a high dot chance gun of a different element than your as. Tell me if you dot the enemy with your as

Please use the non Conflux one

#9

Will do, haven’t had a chance today cos reasons so will be tomorrow but will do it ASAP, thanks for your help!

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#10

No problem. I have a theory, but the results of that test will let me know whether my head needs to hit the desk or not :joy:

#11

Try getting rid of do unto others. It’s possible that’s what’s inflicting the non shock dot. Violent tapestry makes it significantly more likely that the damage from do unto others causes a dot. Do unto others damage changes with your action skill and the splash radius increase makes you get hit by it. That’s my guess.

#12

My guess would be Violent Tapestry (amplified by Anima).

The phasezerker really boosts DoT chances with Violent Tapestry. If you have elemental ASE anoints on shield/nades, self inflicting damages have a chance to proc a DoT on yoursefl. And 8 points in Anima is a lot of DoT damages/duration, mainly on yourself…

#13

OK, so here goes, all with non-conflux mod on M1 with loot-splosion modifier:

Used a Shocking AAA (83% chance) on skags with Fire AS, no DOT fire damage, only shock. Plaseslam did Fire only as expected.

Used Sellout (83% chance) with Shock AS, only did fire DOT when in Fire mode and corrosion DOT in corrosion mode. Phaseslam did shock only as expected.

Used same Sellout with both Fire and Corrosion AS and again it only did the DOT type of the mode the gun was in.

So, in a nutshell, shots are only doing the damage type they are intended to and don’t appear to be infused with AS element.

Hope this is what you wanted testing??

@LauSu - When I read that I thought “Yes, that’s likely it!” however when trying it, it still does damage to myself. So a no-go unfortunately, thanks though.

@pad_3 If I had to put money on it, I think the same, although I don’t understand why. I don’t have a relevant anointment on the shock lob I’m using (it’s a gunner one on siren). Transformer I’m using has "On ASE, gain 50% shock damage bonus on weapons for 10 secs, has it’s shock damage it shouldn’t matter in this case.

Further information in general:

I did some other testing in battle rather than shooting myself in Sanctuary. I have now replicated in battle self inflicted damage with my breaker and all three phaseserkers, non-conflux, Conflux +1 and Conflux +2, all after a lot of battling so Violent Tapestry has a chance to build plenty of rush stacks, although the phaseserkers gave me damage quicker than the breaker did, i.e. sooner in the battle.

All times I had 5x Violent Tapestry equipped, could not replicate it with VT off. Fire AS element.

Once again, thank you for all your help.

#14

Well I’m stumped. Damage tied to your action skill element is hitting you since it doesn’t happen with shock action skill. But what is causing the damage?

For curiosity what is the gunner anoint on your lob? There’s one gunner anoint that works on all characters right now. It’s the elemental crits cause explosions, so that could be it. You’re applying a dot with action skill and exploding it with your gun.

#15

Thank ■■■■. I was about ready to absolutely table my face on that one.

#16

That anointment shouldn’t do that. Partially because the conditions wouldn’t be met, but mostly because we don’t have a way that Amara can crit herself.

#17

Do you have VT on without the com?

#18

She doesn’t need to crit herself only apply the dot to an enemy with her action skill and explode it by critting with the gun. If she’s standing close enough the splash from said explosion would hit her. The way it reads elemental crits cause the status effect to explode for that type of damage. But I haven’t personally tried that anoint so I could be getting it wrong.

#19

I think the poster has been doing these tests without damaging enemies though.

#20

Oh I see, then yeah that wouldn’t do it. Hmm :thinking: