Good morning.
So I have the Kaoson and love this weapon as Splash Damage is very fun to run. I have a LOT of Class Mods but wondered what might be the pinnacle to run with a weapon like this. Currently I’m using the the mod below. The Kaoson is a good weapon to land criticals and with Megavore it’s worked out well. Any thoughts on a Mod that may fare a bit better?
For bossing the Stackbot and Pearl should be doing pretty well, I would think, though I have not tested the Kaoson yet. For weapons with splash like the Kaoson or OPQ, I am not sure the COM matters as much as having the passive AOE damage on your artifact or COM (though upon reflection I am not certain COMs can come with the AOE passive, you may want to check me on that). Anyhow, AOE boosts both splash damage and splash radius, so it will make weapons with splash damage considerably more powerful.
EDIT: The OPQ 100% also should be considered for the AR slot in your loadout if you are going to build around splash. It is a friggin beast!
Thanks. I just started using the OPQ and love it! I toggle between Splash and a more Jakob’s oriented buildout. I never run any shield other than the Transformer and all the nades I use are Regen on Action Skill Start( love spamming grenades).
I know we have gone back and forth on our builds before, but it sounds like we are still running pretty similar builds and loadouts. I tend to do the same thing you do - I have a Deadeye / Bounty Hunter Jakobs loadout that is my favorite and is great for mobbing, but not as great for bossing. For bossing I switch to Bounty Hunter or Cosmic Stalker (usially the former) and run splash weapons like the OPQ, Boom Sickle, Recursion, Cutsman, Shocker/Lob, Protuberance, etc.
Definitely similar to mine and you’ve had some good input in the times we’ve chatted. I like this rifle for the simple reason that the sticky’s explode faster than say, the Craps Pistol. I was curious to see if I ran a mod or relic with Assault Rifle dmg increase vs weapon dmg if that would make any difference.
Are you talking about the OPQ? I do not believe it has stickies, I think it just deals shock splash on say, every X number of shots or something. It seems like about one in every five shots or so. There may be some predictability to it, but I have not paid enough attention to know for certain. Someone on these forums may have calculated it or it could just be RNG. Not too sure.
If you are using a specific weapon class or manufacturer, the weapon-type bonus of 35% or the manufacturer bonus of 11% will always outperform the 28% weapon damage bonus. I would encourage you to search the Fl4k forum topics for @Ratore’s Fl4k damage formula for a detailed explanation of why, but basically the way I understand it is that the weapon type or manufacturer-based damage bonus is a separate multiplier outside of the gun damage formula, whereas weapon damage bonuses are calculated inside the gun damage formula, so basically it will be additive to gun damage.
That doesn’t mean that there is NO reason to use the weapon damage bonus COM though, because it obviously will still increase your overall damage and it also applies to all weapons. But if you are using just ARs or SMGs or a specific manufacturer allegiance, the weapon type or manufacturer bonus will crank up your overall damage with that weapon or manufacturer type more than the general weapon damage bonus.
Only Weapon Type is a different multiplier. The manufacturer one is just a downgrade on normal Weapon damage.
Gotcha, thanks for getting me straight. I can’t follow that formula too well sometimes, just so much that goes into it.
So as far as COM and artifact passives go, would the rule be:
weapon type damage > weapon damage > manufacturer damage
Is that pretty much correct?
Yeah, for general rules that’s a good one. Weapon Damage will always trump Manufacturer damage. Though there are special cases (Generally with the 300/90 anoint) where Weapon damage can outdo Type damage, however that’s rare.
Was referring to the Kaoson
Isn’t the Kaoson an SMG with splash? Not stickies. I have not used it that much so I don’t remember for sure. You mentioned AR damage so I thought you might be talking about the OPQ.
Sorry SMG. and yes… it fires stickies, fast and furious but the explode very quickly. This thing is an absolute beast.
