I really hoped that with these new anointments coming live, moze would get some QoL changes but she obviously didn’t and the problem seems to be that auto bear simply doesn’t count as an action skill. So, how many of the “bear troopers” are actually using auto bear like…to be essential for their build. It seems more like a little extra while in cooldown. While on foot moze players still need 5 seconds to proc a 15 seconds anointment and can’t use anointments like “while action skill is active” an I understand the technical problem behind that. You can’t mark iron bear AND auto bear as action skill when auto bear happens AFTER iron bear. So I would say, it could help if auto bear would really alter the action skill completely and worked as a proper action skill to be able to work with any anointments and I know, right now anointments are probably not in the best condition with all that AES and AEIB but that’s horrible gameplay for moze players anyway. I think that with this update, anointments that trigger on AS start and while action skill is active, could become dominant and moze should also profit from it since she was always the one who was let down with the fluent gameplay. I mean, noone can deny that there are a lot of people who only use IB to trigger anoints and always have to go through the animation sequences. Why not give them their own proper action skill to begin with? How many of the bear troopers would miss the 15 sec. of what ever?
I like the motions, an action skill to be viewed as “advanced” in the way that you can’t just hit your AS anywhere, there is a tad element of preemptive thinking to be had otherwise you can botch the whole approach.
The new anoint that states “while AS is active” and the anoints that state “on AS end” I believe have been assessed with Moze in mind. The nova adds 20k damage output to IB, yeah sure I used it and it was underpowered but there was the potential door to be able to scale Bear into m10.
I understand some views are that IB should be able to instant spawn but IMO this undermines why the AS is the way it is. Takes a bit of thinking to play Moze, our tactical underdog class for advanced users lol
The problem appears when people are going for max dps and realize, you really just have to instant enter exit IB every 18 seconds to proc your stuff. That’s not very advanced. That’s annoying^^
And the fact that half of the anointments don’t work on either iron bear, because he usually doesn’t scale from most stuff in the game, neither on auto bear because he doesn’t count as an action skill, comes additional to that.
Subjective opinion… Constant eject or do we call it 100% Auto bear uptime… Which should always be a thing, Bear should always be deployed, he is free dps… This factor sorta negates the view that constant auto bear deployment is a hassle, its a requirment.
I keep 100% auto Bear up time and also use his max fuel. I use him for dash jump, to refill my grenade pool or lock on to flying enemies. Bit of both worlds
It is my view that the Gunner AS mechanics are just-how&so… I would not want this streamlined into instant Bear spawn, I mean cmon the digistruct technology for the Vladof mech suit is on Mozes back, that where Bear originates.
Lore wise the Usicore Mechanize infantry can’t spawn their Bears beside them. IB’s digistruct around the user and in order to deploy an Auto Bear the user must eject.
Yeah the actual Bear… Do you believe IB lives on her back or is situated on Sanctuary in the hull? When she summons the Bear is it a digistructed copy?.. with the actual Mech being positioned on some sort of link device, at a safe location, that is connected to Mozes back mount?
Man, I have no idea how that stuff works because only GBX knows
But it’s not a real argument that “it’s on her back.” she has to carry it to battle, somehow.
And I don’t know why you say “100% uptime is a requirement” for which vault hunter did this apply in the past. Action skills are a power spike. Now with anointments they start becoming a tool, more than a weapon. But I would personally prefer an auto bear action skill that I can use ever 30 seconds + CD skills and properly use all anointments rather than having him up 24/7 with interrupting my gameplay for 5 seconds, every 15 seconds. I always prefer gameplay over DPS. But with the current implementation, also rocketeer isn’t worth it when AB can’t use ASA anointments.
If you don’t have auto bear deployed how much less is the total DPS in the case of a Bear mainer? You jib yourself by not having him deployed.
This is a new vault hunter with a different AS than ever seen before. I wouldn’t go and expect her mech suit behave like other AS’s.
To play the gunner you must make space for mech deployment. It is a requirement, an inate trait that the Gunners gun play pauses while she pulls out a multi ton mech. You must pause every 15 seconds, or whenever you need the bear, he takes time to unfold… thats how this class rolls.
I would say that the only reason to deploy IB for DPS is, because of anointments
He himself doesn’t to much DPS especially because he isn’t very smart.
I wouldn’t mind, being stuck for a second to deploy him. But jumping in and out just for the cause to trigger a gear stat, doesn’t sound very intended. As I said. There are 2 kinds of players (maybe 3) and 1 kind is just constantly going through the chore of that, hoping it will change one day.
Activate IB mid jump, its faster deployment… Also the nukes apply dot, grenades knock enemies down, Vanquisher rockets provide on screen targeting if you can’t see well… There are many other reasons to have IB out and I’m not relying on his damage but its there, alongside some physics quirks.
It is no argument that having IB out is better than not. I jump in an out to keep my aggro drawing turret up, the anoint procs is a bonus.
Should note I’m proccing anoints for additional damage on clip that never empty… I don’t actually rely on Bear to proc anoints, just realized that.
Well, it’s honorable that you will just take it, not asking for a QoL improvement. But ya know. Do you think, I don’t know how to speed up IB deploy when that’s all I do, all the time.
It’s still annoying and auto summon doesn’t have to mean, it would screw up your 100% uptime, too much. There are still gear stats and skills mostly unused because the cool down is so damn fast right now.
Auto summon undermines the whole reason there are entry eject animations to begin with. The mech feels great to hop in and out of… Your telling me you’re over it, just want to summon…
Do you even like the Gunner? The artistic aspects the make her what she is… I mean if they take way the animation, the feel - that would suck all so people can just play like an Axton.
Grow with the time man, embrace mechanics, understand their origins, why they are the way they are.
Nah, don’t like her. Just playing her 99% since launch of the game although I have problems with her action skill. ^^
Idk if it’s because modern times and I am used to fluent gameplay and QoL or what ever but spending 1/3 of the playtime, looking at a black screen, isn’t something that I will grow with.
Well I could. I probably will, after getting the elemental explosion anointment and…maybe some independent shield anointment, I will probably stop using IB at all and then I have fluent gameplay.
What? Fluent gameplay is outdated? I think that you are stuck somewhere in the past xD
But. Let’s stop here. Not really contributing anything to the topic since this discussion should be about anointments mostly.