Hey so Idk if im doing it right but my IB is doing nothing in Mayhem 10. Like literally poop damage 
Anybody else or what?
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yea, thatās what happens when they a x16 on mob hp/armor/shield yet donāt make IBās dmg scale with mayhem lvl
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It needs to maybe scale of off Mozes weapons or something
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Please Gearbox. For the love of God.
Please scale IronBearās damage in all Mayhem level. (not only mayhem 10)
Moze is my main. I love IronBear build. (Raging Bear and Bear Trooper class mod)
If you donāt do this. I donāt want to play BL3 anymore.
For the love of God. Gearbox.
Thank you.
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I used Vanquisher Rockets to kill Gigamind lol I dropped his shield off with a Hellshock and just stood toe to toe vamping up a storm - wasnāt fast tho
For the most part I use Railguns on auto bear to accompany my Hellshock if Iām taking a shield out and will switch to nukes/rocket/grenades on the next deploy depending on the situationā¦The Nukes are purely additive effect, applying small damage over time, Rockets hit those hard to aim atās, Grenades knock enemies down.
IB is support in M10 not necessarily an attack tool
I get it. However to me I see IB as a sort of ārageā mode you know. Once you activate it, everything in front of you should drop. Right now it just feels sad.
And it isnt just IB, its pretty much any damaging Action Skill.
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I use him as a place to retreat, like a third option if you donāt wanna FFYL in your current position. Also the invulnerability frames during AS activation and instant eject let you negate one big attack if you know it comingā¦ things like Gravewards fire beam or that oncoming cov rocket you know is going to drop you.
I agree with āRage modeā in my subconscious this was a hard-line but I tried man, Nov 19th I started and the community bois straight of the bat told me āNayā so Ive persisted til now and sadly suppressed that original appeal of the Bear and just made it work how it actually works in game.
Thank you for mentioning āRage Modeā
I canāt believe I adjusted myself so much just to remain a Bear Build.
Point; at the moment IB is somewhere to retreat, he is a last standing shield. There are many situations that I know when Moze is in over her head but low and behold I also know IB has greater sustain. Iāll hit the action skill, pump V-35 grenades to vamp up, fill Mozeās grenade pool and reposition. Many times the only reason I survived was because IB could encase Moze and keep him self alive until we had dash jumped to a better position.
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I guess you are right mate 
Im sure GBX will sort it out though. Thats why I love them as a developer!
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It would be prudent to assume GBX have an IB mainer in the studio but they wonāt spill the beans on how Bear works. Whoever it is must be seeing what Iām seeing, that when you spec into Bear and Bottomless mags for a maximum Bearā¦ Which should be viableā¦ You turn into a non synergy build that has infinite ammo, grenades but relys on proper godroll weaponry to do damage. This build cannot crit huge so it should be able to tank. Bear canāt tank to the fullest, I lose him in the repositioning process sometimes and if you use him to attack the 245k health pool he has in combo with the Vamp off V-35 Lock and Speed Load is just short of the bar, Bear has no health gate - cov rockets can oneshot
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I appreciate your detailed post however the fact Iron Bear is nothing but a trash can that provides some sort of protection rather than fun gameplay is not tolerable considering the time (some) people wasted farming top notch gear specifically for Iron Bear based builds.
Letās just use me as an example:
It took me WEEKS to farm my perfect Raging Bear class mod with splash damage bonus and 3 points in Stoke the Embers and 2 points in Stainless Steel Bear - WEEKS. When it finally dropped I literally screamed āGOD DROP!ā
On top of that I farmed the best possible Deathless and built my skill trees COMPLETELY around Iron Bear damage.
This build no longer allows me to even tickle Captain Traunt on Mayhem 10.
MEANWHILE -and thatās where things get unacceptable- I found a Yellowcake rocket launcher today during my first event fight.
My first Yellowcake rocket launcher is a Mayhem 4 version. It allows me to MELT Captain Traunt on Mayhem 10 in seconds.
HOW is that fair? WEEKS of farming and building the perfect Iron Bear versus ONE day of casually trying the new event and the weapon completely destroys my entire build even though itās not even a Mayhem 10 version.
If the developers donāt make action skills relevant QUICKLY I see no reason to even play the game anymore except for the DLCs.
Perhaps a 1000% buff to Raging Bearās āmaximumā damage output could somewhat fix Iron Bear. Considering how rare it drops and how long it takes to get a good roll on it that seems like a reasonable thing.
People that prefer to play Moze and only use Iron Bear to proc anointments and for i-frames would still have Blast Master and Green Monster as an alternative.
Even then the other vault hunter action skills would need fixes, too.
Iām pretty sleepy right now so excuse me if something seems a little harsh or not reasonable.
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You use your IB as your sole source of attackā¦ Yeah I hear you bro and thats what I was doing but to actually make it workā¦ As I explained, I adjusted my initial desired play style totally and now realize it. IB canāt kill Bosses, Moze kills Bosses Bear is a summon.
Traditionally no summon is more powerful than the summoner but yes, some of us came into this believing we could be pure Mech - there is no gear for this as of current.
For the record I run a Trooper Com, +25% gun damage, splash damage, +31% Sniper damageā¦ The elitist would scold me but Meh;
If Iām seen running this setup by GB and they say āGee this guy never gave up or diverted did he, letās revise the Bear!ā
they should allow more stats to benefit IB, right now most of those new while action skills are active anointments donāt even work when you are in IB
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There weāre hints of greatness in the Nova anoint but yeahā¦ Bear needs gears like Shock Aura or Thorns damage to be found on weapon anoint, that apply to IB, so that the lower lvls of Mayhem provide a ladder rather than be totally deleted by an IB that is Mayhem 10 scaled in the skill tree.
Yeah, IB does veryā¦ very little damage in M10.
There is the same problem with my friend : he is playing an Amara melee build, but apparently melee isnāt scaled too. :o
Iām not expecting to roll on the enemies with IB, but please, scale it to do decent damage at least. I should be able to do decent damage against little enemies with my nuke. But IB canāt even do that.
I understand that itās hard to balance properly an action skill that acts like a separate character. But please. Even if Moze on foot is stronger, IB should be able kill enemies.
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Yeah melee has never scaled, sadly. Why you can actually do melee damage with a normal melee attack in normal M0, but try that at M4, or even just TVHMā¦ Nope. I remember someone making a melee axton build back in the day, ha. Very difficult. Anyway.
Yeah, IB is useless as a damage source. I use it as a defense, near invulnerable mobility, and a way to proc MoD. Thatās the end of itās use, currently.
Edit: Also, the Consecutive Hits and 300% damage when enemies are above 90% HP annointments tend to do more damage than 125% n2m, and last longer than 160% splash for 18 secondsā¦ A lot of the Moze community was already using CH with 1 point in FitSDā¦ Which didnāt require Iron Bear.
I think there are now enough annointments that work without relying on AS, that it may just be the nail in the coffin for IB builds. At this point, I have zero reason to use IB unless Iām about to die or running away.
It is sad that IB or Melee ar enot scaled. I mean what is the point to give options if only one of them is playable ? I like IB however I had to switch upon a rifle spam build instead because IronBear is litteraly melting under the ennemy fire & its damages are ridiculousely low (mayhem 8).
I would like to point another point of view for Iron Bear. Every other Vault Hunter got an active skills that assist them.
Fl4K > Invisibility (for crit & survivability) / Rakt Bomb for damage / Gamma Burst (which is great for annointed Active Effect)
Zane > Drone (assist) / Shield (with many variations) / Clone (using your current equipped weapons)
Amara > Different phaseshift skills & elemental affinement to trap/lock/stun targets
All of thoses skills assist the player. However for Moze this is a whole different story.
You only have one option which is Iron Bear to be used as a mech. (Iām not counting the auto bear as an option since you have to put far too many point in a meh tree dedicated to Iron Bear to be able to get auto bear which is a skill, not even an active skill). So yeah you got invicibility when you get in or out of it (and again there is a problem with some Mayhem effect like āFloor is lavaā since you will create a pool while doing the animation since you are not āmovingā in an animation).
To me, IB should be at least scalled upon your current firearm to be able to use at least the āActive skill durationā annointement effect. Every other VH can except for her. It seems a little unfair.