[Bug] Cryo and Forceful Expression

Borderlands 3 Amara the Siren
#1

There is bug with Amara and cryo weapons. This does not happen with any other elemental type that I can replicate.

If you have a cryo weapon and use it on water you will freeze the water and you take damage if you walk over it. This is normal. However, with Forceful Expression (orange tree capstone), if it procs on the water as well, the damage will be massive and down you instantly. Helping Hands and One With Nature will reduce this damage but it will not matter and you will die.

Now on the surface this doesn’t seem like a big deal just avoid the puddles. But the interaction with other skills and expecially with new event, I am dying constantly.

  • Fights near water can get complex and you can forget about the puddles. This is making cryo weapons (especially those with ricochet or the skill Indiscriminate) very dangerous to use.

  • It is hard to test with how much damage is being taken, but it appears that the extra damage may be applied to Conflux when self dot happens. So you will have 2-3 massively damage effects on you.

  • Indiscriminate is very dangerous in any area with water. In the Hole of Heck around the Ratches, I cannot use this skill at all with all the ricochets and I also have a cryo lucian’s call.

  • It is possible Anima and Tempest are adding to the damage. however with regular fire effects in water, the damage is not deadly. This only happens with cryo combined with Forceful Expression for whatever reason.

  • Unclear if Elemental Projector increases this damage further. The massive damage still applies without this relic.

I am still testing to try and nail down the exact interaction that is causing this. And also trying to nail down how much is affected. If anyone can do additional testing to replicate or has any additional info please share! Especially if there are more ways to accidentally cause this bug.

Tested with Following gear:

  • Cryo Lucian’s Call
  • Cryo Butcher
  • Rough Rider
  • Cutsman (no effects in water)
  • Shocking AAA
  • Fire Shreddifier
  • Phasezerker Class mod (and without it): 3 Conflux, 1 Anima, 1 Clarity)
  • 80% Elemental Projector (and without it)

Any further information needed please let me know!

#2

What element are you using for your action skill?

#3

Fire. The massively increased damage applies regardless though. Fire is a guaranteed down, shock brings me down by 75%. Never use corrosive so didnt bother trying.

Edit:
It is worth noting that using a fire weapon on the water will set you on fire but does negligible damage. Less than 1k even with all the damage boosts.

#4

Just wanted to update in case dev’s are watching. From further testing it appears to be Elemental damage done by the action skill that is causing the bug. Its hard to test, but a Nimbus mod can also cause this problem. Grenades of course can down you very quickly, but those generally are easier to control and avoid. Some of this self ignite damage is downright impossible to predict when it will happen especially in a firefight.

#5

Just messing around it looks like this doesn’t only affect self damage.

I think it’s the way the puddles work. They seem like they act like a DoT, but the cryo is causing a weird interaction that seems like it’s applying multiple status effects at once and rapidly ticking.

You can see so many damage numbers on the screen you can barely make them out. It basically 0’s this monster in a second or 2.