Relatively new Maya player

Borderlands 2 Maya the Siren
#1

I wish I had found her sooner. With the right weapons, she’s been fun as hell so far.

This is my current build with her: http://bl2skills.com/siren.html#455501000050055105005541500501

I’m farming with my gunzerker right now so I can’t remember which COM I have on her at this moment, but I believe I keep switching back and forth between Legendary Siren and Cat mods.

My main questions are simple:

  1. How does this build look? Am I missing anything/any certain skills that make her better? Are there any skills I should avoid? (Helios is an exception, I just have 1 point on it to help with health regen with a moxxi weapon)

  2. Is there a certain relic that works best with her? I’ve been using bone of the ancient relics I believe and it’s helped a lot, but is there something I’m missing?

  3. What COMs would you experience players recommend?

  4. Any special weapons/shields besides bee/sandhawk that make her extremely powerful in OP levels?

Thanks in advance. Again, I absolutely love Maya so far. She’s honestly been able to do damage on par with characters like Zer0 and Sal for me, I just want to make sure I’m using her to her full potential!

#2

I prefer Sweet Release over Sustenance, but Sustenance will help with DoT recovery. With Kinetic Reflection, that’s a skill I can only recommend with a Trickster com that boosts it. Otherwise, the points from that would be much better spent in either Inertia or Life Tap.

Bone is always good. Use a health relic if you ever run a Nurse build.

Leg Siren is what I use. The Leg Cat is good for pure DPS, Leg Nurse for when you want to be pure support. The Leg Binder is a good com if you base a build around it. The Trickster com is amazing for specialized builds, namely +6 to Kinetic Reflection or +6 to Chain Reaction.

I don’t play in the OP levels, but I’ll try to list some stuff off the top of my head.
Guns: Tattler (if you play up close), Twister, Bekah, Pimpernel, Mukamuk, Sniders, Plasma Casters, Bitch.
Shields: Evolution, Blockade, Antagonist, Sham.

Look here for stuff I missed.

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#3

  1. I was between Sweet Release and Sustenance, but with the enemy health regen in the OP levels I don’t always get the kill on the enemy that’s phaselocked. And sometimes I’ll phaselock a “weaker” enemy so that I can get the fire rate/damage buff and use that to melt away at the bigger enemies. And you think I should drop kinetic reflection? I found that even at 5/5 it seems to work well with health regen if I have a moxxi weapon out and I’m in a tough spot. You think I should get rid of it for something else?

  2. That’s what I was thinking. The cooldown and elemental damage seems to be good syngergy

  3. I’ve got the Binder COM, so I’ll look more into that.

  4. Thanks for the link, I’ll look at some of the stuff and see if it can give me some more info!

#4

If you want to keep Sustenance, go ahead. But with KR, I would put those points in Inertia for the shield regen, or Life Tap. Life Tap gets underused quite often, it’s the main reason I can play close-combat Maya so well. And since you’re playing on OP8, you only need one point in it to get the full effect.

So, I would recommend 4 in Inertia and 1 Life Tap. Or 3 in Inertia and 2 in Life Tap if you play on a lower OP level.

If you’re curious, here’s my personal build with the Leg Siren.

#5

I’ve been using MOLMF’s Blurred Trickster build for her lately and have been having a blast. It focuses on using Pimpernels as your main weapons so you might want to give it a try (I have a Blurred trickster com that’s +6 Chain Reaction, +5 Kinetic Reflection). If you want to try the ‘Deal With The Devil’ build try getting an Unyielding Banshee class mod (IIRC) that’s +6 to Immolate. As for your questions:

1- http://bl2skills.com/siren.html#555201040052055002005550500501 this isn’t MOLMF’s Blurred Trickster build I mentioned but it is how I would tweak your build for now. Don’t get me wrong, I love Sustenance (really, I like any self healing skill for any character) but using PL more often is more useful, and since I have the class mod to boost Kinetic Reflection I can put those other 3 points elsewhere.

2- most elemental relics are fine for Maya but if you go raid boss farming you might want a stockpile relic depending on the weapon you’re using. If you want to try pistols or shotguns try to get a Sheriff or Deputy badge respectively.

3- If I’m not using the Blurred Trickster mod for whatever reason i usually use the L. Cat although L. Binder is a good choice as well (which means you might want to put that point back into Helios :smile:).

4- As mentioned Pimpernels (even w/o the Blurred Trickster build), plasma caster SMG’s, shot guns, and Maliwwan sniper rifles (also the Hail might be a good choice). For shields any absorb shields (I always recommend The Transformer shield at any level and all play modes), the Antagonist, Blockade, FotF, etc.

Edit: as of the October 2015 patch- with the date of this edit being 25 February 2018- Cloud Kill is now a viable skill. Take a point from KR and put it there. Also, I’ve taken to trying Helios for those that want to avoid Flicker.

#6

You know you linked a Krieg build, right?

#7

Oops- I was looking at 4 different builds at once- thanks for catching that… :relieved:

#8

My Siren’s name is Krieg, and she is the prettiest. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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#9

:laughing:

The other guys have provided you with pretty much all the info you need, however… They missed one thing.
Conference Call is a badass shotgun!

#10

What I’ve done for lvl 72…

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…built around the Leg. Cat. COM and based heavily on elemental SMG use, this build allows her to toss a LOT of damage downrange and live thru the counter-attack (she can even take out rabid stalkers in one PH/L). I’d need to dbl-check, but I think I needed the point into Cloud Kill to reach Ruin; if that point isn’t necessary there, I’d put it into Sustenance. Sweet Release kept her alive thru NVHM and TVHM and now acts as a supplement for Sust.

#11

u aint gotta lie krieg, u aint gotta lie

#12

I’d take that point out of cloud kill and put it into immolate. Unlike CK, immolate is actually useful.

#13

I agree, but IIRC I needed it there to get to Ruin…I did a re-spec on her a few days ago, and now I can’t remember exactly why there’s a point in CK and not somewhere more practical. I think I’ll need to do another re-spec on her to see what up with that.

Sorta veer, sorta not; is there a skills calc somewhere that will allow figuring COM bonuses into the overall build?

#14

You don’t need CK, you only need enough points overall to progress downwards. either put that point into immolate like Gulf suggested, or in Blight Phoenix.

BP is not good, so you shouldn’t invest in it, but a single point brings 2 things: it’s a CLEAR sign to your multiplayer partners that your kill skills are active, and the (very low) damage will sometimes stagger oncoming melee rushers long enough to interrupt their initial attack.

also, 4 in flicker, 5 in Immolate is better than the other way around.

#15

You forgot the most important reason: Wing are cool.

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#16

I’m also fairly new with my Maya at the moment as I’ve usually played as Axton. I hadn’t realised Maya would be so different and she’s just so much fun! I find her a LOT easier on mobs but perhaps slightly harder on main bosses, maybe because there’s no turret to distract them and she can’t use Ruin to full effect on them.

I only play solo and my build is slightly different to yours. I would trade Sustenance for Quicken: I found Sweet Release was more than enough for my health needs so didn’t need Elated either. But Quicken allows me to have p/l up more often than not and that can be a game changer. Finally, if you use The Bee a couple of points in Inertia will stand you in good stead as it compensates well for The Bee’s slow recharge delay. I was told about this recently myself and it does help.

For Relics I agree Bones are best. Combined with Flicker your Elemental effects are awesome and the help with Cooldown is superb. I did experiment with others but nothing worked as well as Bones+Leg Cat.

For COMs, I have one of each legendary but after experimentation I’ve stuck with the Leg Cat. It makes you a DPS killing machine with any weapon and if you use an SMG most enemies just become no more than a nuisance. For certain situations a good Burred Trickster COM works wonders: BNK-3R for example just melts with that and a Pimpernel. But overall I’d say a Cat is best. I was lucky enough to get one with 131% SMG damage, which is close to maximum.

If you use a Cat COM, then any Plasma Casters you find make sure you hang onto. They do massive damage in Maya’s hands. I had a Shock Plasma Caster that took me from L61 all the way to L69 and not much stood in my way.

To show how good she is with SMGs, it takes me under 2 minutes to kill Pete with Maya using a BeeHawk combo. With Axton with the same weapons it would take me closer to 8

Good luck!

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#17

You can kill Pete even faster than 2 minutes, actually. Open up the valves when Pete comes down, phaselock one of the little spiderants that comes down, turn to Pete, and ■■■■.

#18

http://bl2skills.com/siren.html#415001400015155105215550500501

That is my Maya build and its not really all that far off from yours.
Gear is

2 Pimpernels, fire and corrosive
Bekah
Twister
Quasar
Bone or Blood of the Ancients (depending on com and play style at the time)
Blockade or Antagonist (depending on mood, map, enemies, etc…)
Legendary Siren com or Blurred Trickster

I then have raid guns in my backpack, sandhawks, fire norfleet, shock cc, grog, kittens, and a few more.

After well over 1000 hours on maya alone I’ve settled on his for many reasons.

-I don’t need moxxi guns with it outside of raidbosses, not even for the peak. Moxxi guns IMO make you a worse player and slow you down. Maya has enough healing in her skill tree that you don’t need moxxi guns. You only have 8 gear slots I don’t want to give up 2 for healing if I don’t have to.

-Immolate and scorn mean I really don’t need a ffyl gun, again 8 weapon slots, why waste any on a ffyl gun.

-Scorn/Ruin mean I don’t need a weapon slot for slag and my guns are good enough to kill mobs without slag.

Many builds have a grog and chain lighting for healing, norflleet or other launchers for ffyl, and then slagga or something for slagging. That is 4/8 gear slots for something maya’s skill tree can do. By doing that I open up so many options. If you go and play a map like WEP where you have loaders, flesh enemies, stalkers who are 75% shield, fire resistant slags,etc… You have all the guns equipped to deal with all of that. If you take 2 of your gun slots, and your grenade slot away you are not equipped for that.

Then when you look closer all the gear works with the skills.

Chain reaction works best with bullet splits, unlisted pellets, and penetration
Pimpernel has bullet splits
Twister has penetration
Bekan has bullet split and penetration

Restoration is now and should be an auto include in any co-op build but you can have guns that work best with it
Penetration guns you can shoot the enemies and your allies with one shot, kill and heal, its brilliant. Pimpernels bullet split lets you do the same thing.

Reaper is all about the first hit and all 4 of these guns have one shot one kill potential. Guns that take 10+ shots to take down common enemies get less out of reaper.

The Quasar IMO is the ultimate mobbing grenade for maya. It can be used both with phaselock to get more enemies under the converge for more effective chain reaction, or it can be used between phaselocks to help your crowd control and survival if you need it. Also stripping the shields is huge for your DPS so you can just hit with the proper element and get the most out of your DPS.

Some other key differences in my build to many others I see…

  • Minds eye and accelerate 1/5. Alot of builds you see max these out at 5/5 with either the legendary cat or siren. I don’t need those to be more than 6/5 for my DPS so that frees up 8 points for survival skills, both shield and health. Thats why I don’t need moxxi guns.

  • Scorn and Ruin, not a lot of builds you see pick these 2 but scorn does so much for you and I don’t have an issue spending enough healing points to get there. FFYL slag is amazing, scorn blows up barrels, blocks some enemy attacks, finds hidden enemies, it does so much more than just slag and like I said above not needed my grenade or a gun for slag really frees things up.

  • Legendary Siren and the Bone are more than enough cooldown so I don’t need quicken, which again lets me get scorn.

Those 3 points I think are what separates my build from many I see.

i guess to answer your questions a bit more directly

I would obviously move a few points around, but you are you and I am me. The build looks fine, no glarring issues, no cloud kill, you justify the one point in helios. If you stick with your build and don’t want to change much, I would squeeze one point out for restoration. It should be an auto include in any co-op build in op8.

Bone and Blood are my two favorites but there are many other good ones, again look at the top gear that was linked to you in I think the first reply to you.

I love the Legendary Siren because it does enough to help your DPS, it has a ton of cooldown, Ward at +5 is amazing for survival as well. My second favorite is the trickster because 88% chain reaction just does amazing things and really changes the game.

But that said, all 4 Legendary Com’s are great.

Like @ACNAero said check out the top gear. I would also recommend you pay really close attention to how often you are hitting crits. You mentioned a lot of times you don’t kill the enemy in the phaselock. Even with standard purple weapons at best that is rarely an issue for me outside some of the biggest enemies out there. Really pay attention to if you are hitting crits of not. Crits are one of the biggest DPS factors in the game and with phaselock are not that hard to hit.

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#19

Yeah, I probably should’ve clarified a little better. I don’t have trouble killing PL’d enemies, it’s only the “bigger” enemies that can still be phaselocked that I’ve seen other people kill. Sorry. It’s basically just me wanting too much and asking too much haha.

I appreciate the response though. I’ll have to see if I can go farm a legendary siren mod and maybe give your build a try.

#20

They’re also very, very dangerous around barrels, as my wife found out to our chagrin when she started playing Maya.