FL4K Bug Megathread

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

Hello @Noelle_GBX,
Below is a list of bugs or awkward interactions the FL4K player base has encountered. We’re in the process of acquiring video evidence for the bugs in question, but in the mean time, could you pass this list along to the dev team?

Also @Psychichazard could we have this thread stickied?

Making this thread to compile every bug for the class in one place. Hopefully, putting everything in one place will make it easier for the Devs to identify and fix bugs.

I’ll list each bug, the conditions of its appearance if we know them, and any threads or videos on the bug.

If anyone can provide video evidence of any of the bugs in question, it would help a great deal. And please list anything that you find as well! We’ll @ the community manager once a comprehensive list is compiled, because I know I’m missing more than a few.

EDIT: This is the most up to date bug list provided by @NotQuag. It corroborates most of the bugs I have listed here and several more I don’t, mainly pertaining to the purple tree since I just stopped testing it.

ONGOING

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1. Dominance takes multiple melee strikes to effect enemies, and they may not be effected for the full duration of 12 seconds.

2 Fl4k bugs (pet AI, dominance)

3 times now when I was doing Proving grounds has my pet (Great Horned Skag) just stopped moving. He doesn’t attack and attack commands don’t get him to move. He can only be moved with gamma burst but he’ll still be stationary. I don’t know if it happens to other pets or if it’s something to with issuing an attack command on an enemy just before it dies, but it’s very annoying. It can be fixed by switching the pet out to another one, letting it load in, and then switching it back again. The ot…

2. Jabber skill descriptions never update to reflect Barbaric Yawp values.
   Imgur: The magic of the Internet

3. The Cutsman SMG does not proc guaranteed crits in Fade Away. Only regular headshots register as crits despite Fade Away giving guaranteed criticals.

FL4K & Fade Away/Cutsman Issue (?)

Does the Cutsman not work with “Fade Away”? I’ve searched around and don’t see anyone else complaining of this issue. Absolutely no crits are activating with the Cutsman when using “Fade Away” and I don’t know if it’s a bug or if for some bizarre reason this is an intended mechanic with FL4K’s ult. Every other gun, crits proc with every shot, but the Cutsman… nothing. Anyone know about or experience this? Thanks in advance, as I can’t seem to find anyone else complaining about this issue.

4. Enemies can still target Fl4k while they are invisible in Fade Away.
   https://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/t/just-thought-id-make-yall-aware-fade-away-is-now-bugged/3802846/7~Moved back in since there are still numerous reports of enemies tracking FL4K while invisible.

5. Hunter’s Eye issues:

• Hunter’s Eye is not correctly listed a Hunt skill.
• Crits on humans coming from Megavore do not get the crit bonus.
• Some human and beast enemies do not count for the skill’s boost. Damage reduction from beasts does work vs. bosses when paired with a Bounty Hunter Class Mod.
• Evil Eye Zealots, Fervent Zealots and Badass Zealots are confirmed to not be human for Hunter’s Eye, and possibly other skills.

Video proof

@Ratore

• This skill is a Hunt Skill, yet it’s not said to be one. Furthermore, the listed values are not correct. Armor Damage vs. Robot is halved, and Human Crit Damage caps out at 12.4%. The Armor Damage vs. Robots is now correctly 30%. The Human Crit Bonus, however, became a Post Add 30% bonus for some reason. This means it is now double what’s listed on the card but not necessarily better since it now it may have big diminishing returns with the rest of the crit formula. It is still an unlisted Hunt Skill.
• Crits on humans coming from Megavore do not get the crit bonus. I’ve also ran into cases of some human enemies simply not counting as humans for the skill’s boost.
• @plenipotence Tested the Damage Reduction vs. Beasts, and it seems to no work against a big amount of the beast enemies. It does work vs. bosses when paired with a Bounty Hunter Class Mod.

6. Gamma Burst breaks other damage multipliers like Go for the Eyes and Splash damage. If you just have Gamma equipped (the Action skill doesn’t even need to be active) the splash damage anointment will never activate. Sometimes Gamma Burst seems to ignore Go for the Eyes, other times it is included in the damage calc. In some cases, Gamma Burst will outright LOWER your pets damage if you are using the splash damage anointment. Fl4k Critter Lab - #142 by boombumr Video evidence

FL4K Pet damage testing Gamma AoE Bug?

7. The pet damage portion of Furious Attack and Most Dangerous Game isn’t effected by Big Game.

MDG + Big Game

Furious Attack + Big Game

8. As of 7/23 patch, the attack command damage of Spiderant Centurion, Spiderant Scorcher, and Great Horned skag are dealing 40-50% less damage.

Fl4k Critter Lab

Gearbox nerfed some of the attack commands. Spiderants centurion and Scorcher, as well as Horned Skag, were nerfed by 40% or more. Pre-patch values for AC [Borderlands® 3 7_25_2020 3_25_33 PM] From nearly 12k to just over 7k is almost a 50% nerf for an ATTACK COMMAND, that attack with a 16 second cool down. I don’t know what the reasoning is, but this isn’t cool. I’m going over some of the other attacks, but I have a feeling this wasn’t the only one that was touched, and you’d better belie…

9. The Peregrine Class mod cannot drop with more the +4 in Interplanetary Stalker.

10. Ion Loader never activates his eye laser attack command.

11. Monkey Do converts amped shots to non-elemental damage.

https://streamable.com/ps6c2b

12. Cmdl3t class mod makes the pet attack FL4K instead of enemies.

13. The 115% Gamma Burst anointment and the 100% Weapon damage while Fade Away is active anointments are both broken. Swapping weapons causes the bonus to disappear. The effects of these anoints will persist once their respective action skills end.

https://streamable.com/yriixq

14. Atomic Aroma and Loader Bots do not stack Frenzy.

https://streamable.com/yxbcr7
https://streamable.com/oy0i03
https://streamable.com/1qqpv3

15. If you go into FFYL while spiderant Countess is performing her attack command, she will get stuck under the map and be unable to resurface.

https://streamable.com/su4tf3

16. Agility Training becomes inactive during FFYL or when your pet dies.

https://streamable.com/gjl4x9

17. I’ve seen in other threads that this is indeed still an issue. Sometimes upon activation, Gamma Burst will immediately go on cooldown without doing anything.

Fl4k bugs/glitches

I’m playing on PS4 I’ve experienced three glitches with the Beastmater. The first problem is with the Gamma Burst action skill, when I use the skill my pet will sometimes teleport and then lose the action skill buff entirely and the skill will go onto cooldown. The second issue is with the Dominace skill, after I acquired it enemies that I would shoot became effected by the dominance skill and it would happen every time I shot an enemy after I activated it with a melee. I’ve also never seen Psyc…

It occurs when an action (ex.shoot a gun ,reloading gun) is immediately performed after Gamma Burst is activated and before the pet teleports, given a low enough FPS.

18. Barbaric Yawp does not work at all on Loaders

https://streamable.com/f0nk7p
https://streamable.com/puky4t
https://streamable.com/96zv02

19. Lethal Force Authorized removes pet immortality in Gamma Burst. Your pet will die in Gamma Burst if you take this skill.

https://streamable.com/3lgntt

20. Gamma/Terror/Hive Mind do not gain crit damage bonuses from Throatripper/Go for the Eyes/Monkey Do. Bonus elements on guns receive those damage types so the pets should be getting them as well.

https://streamable.com/67yvjl

21. Success Imminent will kill you if it activates on water (Athenas is a good example)

https://streamable.com/ptksqp

22. Loader pets cannot be named

FL4K Bug Megathread

Parking this here for report purposes. Loader can’t be named. [image]

23. Spiderant Countess and War Loader will die when Diadems explode at Anathema/Scourge, even while in Gamma Burst. No other pet is effected by this bug.

24. If you use Countess’ attack command while in Fade Away, and Fade Away ends while she is underground, Not My Circus will proc. Not My Circus typically takes priority over her other actions, so she will bug out because she can’t resurface until she does the taunt but she can’t do the taunt because she’s stuck underground.

https://streamable.com/41v2ow

FIXED/ADDRESSED

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1.Psycho Head on a Stick doesn’t activate at all.
Two Bothersome Bugs on FL4KIt does activate, it just doesn’t show on the bottom of the screen.

2.Gamma Burst’s cooldown stacks when used to revive the pet, adding 60 seconds every time it is used on a living pet. It can reach upwards of 5 minutes.
Two Bothersome Bugs on FL4KFixed in 11/21 patch

3.The anointed perk that gives an extra charge of Rakk Attack doesn’t always apply. Can be fixed by save/quitting or re-equipping the item.
Item Bug: Rakk Attack Stacks Fl4kNot a bug. The anointment is only on the piece of gear, so when you switch you lose the extra stack. Should always work if you get it on non-weapon slots (if that is possible).

4.Spiderants use the Countess’ burrow attack command to move, dealing Corrosive damage to player vehicles when moving too far away from it.
Spiderant Spawn bug?Both spiderants use the countess’ burrow attack as a movement skill. Vehicle damage is unavoidable if standing too close.

5. Fade Away- Guerillas in the Mist action skill augment lasts for 5 seconds in game, instead of the 6 second duration listed in the hotfix notes. The 6 seconds listed in the hotfix notes was a typo. 5 seconds is the correct time for GitM.

6. The Power Inside increases Fl4k’s Rakk Attack damage by 33% at full half and 16% otherwise, instead of the listed 50% at full health and 25% otherwise.Rakk Attack Damage EXPLAINED! 26,000+ damage per hit with gameplay | Borderlands 3 - YouTube This is probably just diminishing returns now that I think about it.

7.As of 11/21 Patch- Megavore isn’t proccing at all, or very rarely. Fixed 11/25 hotfix

8. As of 11/21 Patch- The Bounty Hunter COM is not activating the Most Dangerous Game. It only activates when shooting badasses now.

9. Beefcake Jabber Attack Command doesn’t activate during Gamma Burst.
Gamma God Build - #42 by PanzerMolov Just tested. Commands do activate.

10. Furious Attack does not increase pet damage.
Borderlands 3 Hotfix [01/09/2020]Fixed in 1/9 Hotfix

11. Receiving multiple reports that Barbaric Yawp does not work with Jabbers.
Borderlands 3: FL4K's Universal Multiplicative Damage Boosts - YouTube Others have tested and confirmed it does, but the tooltip never updates their values.

12. Furious Attack’s bonus is listed as 1-1-2-2-3 in game instead of the intended .6-1.2-1.8-2.4-3
Furious Attack Pet damage visual bug Fixed in 3/12 hotfix

13. The armor damage portion of the Hunter’s Eye skill only gives half the damage listed. Fixed in 3/12 hotfix

14. 8. Attack commands don’t receive bonus damage from Gamma Burst.
Bug Report: Attack Commands don't receive bonus damage from Gamma Burst Don’t know when it happened, but this appears to have been fixed. Fl4k Critter Lab - #92 by boombumr

15. Rakk attack’s cooldown can become bugged out by headcount.
Rakk Attack Cooldown Bugged (Head Count) - YouTubeFixed in 3/26 patch

16. Rakk Attack is crashing the game as of 3/26/patch. Multiple conditions for crashes reported, including use of the Rakk Pakk Class mod, and seems to be more frequent in those that bought the DLC. Borderlands 3 R4k P4ck Mod Game Crash Patch 3/26 - YouTube Fixed in 4/3 Hotfix

17. Most Dangerous Game doesn’t give any pet damage at all…
Most Dangerous Game Pet damage not working - YouTubeMost Dangerous Game does increase pet damage, but the pet damage doesn’t scale with Big Game.

18. Lick the wounds does not give the pet 30% damage when it revives the player.
FL4K Lick the Wounds Skill does not give bonus pet damage upon revive Fixed in 4/23 Patch

19. Rage and Recover does not effect the pet, even though the skill says it does. Fixed in 7/23 hotfix

20. Rage and Recover is bugged and only regens about 1/3 of the listed value.FL4K Skills, Pets, Class Mods and Interactions: what could change - #180 by Ratore Fixed in 7/23 hotfix

21. Headcount is currently bugged with Rakk Attack cool down. It doesn’t decrease cool down even when scoring critical hits as of 4/23 patchFixed 7/23 patch

22. Cosmic Stalker class mod “FL4K’s Hunt Skill Power is increased by 25%” does not seem to increase the “Damage” bonus that can stack on Interplanetary Stalker which is applied to the rakks. It does however increase the “Human Bonus” of Interplanetary Stalker by 25% which affects the Rakks.
The bonus damage portion of Interplanetary Stalker does not benefit from Big Game or the 25% bonus to Hunter Skills from the Cosmic Stalker COM. This applies to the pet damage portion of the skill as well.Interplanetary Stalker skill Bug: Please fix!
Rakk Attack Damage EXPLAINED! 26,000+ damage per hit with gameplay | Borderlands 3 - YouTube Fixed 8/6 Hotfix

23. Friendbot does not provide 20% bonus damage to the pets. Fixed in 9/10 hotfix

24. Hidden Machine procs extremely inconsistently, not activating even when enemies are clearly shooting Fl4k’s pet. Only seems to activate on enemies that are not aggroed at all.

Melee FL4K math - Hidden Machine is weird

[This started out as me having a really hard time getting Hidden Machine to proc and thinking it doesn’t work on melee at all. It does… it’s just weird about when it procs and harder to use than expected. Not sure if this is working as intended or not, enemies seem to count as targeting FL4K a lot even when FL4K is invisible, enemies aren’t looking at them, or are shooting their pet instead. See the second post. A lot of the stuff in this first post turned out to be wrong.] I’ve been playing a …

More melee FL4K and Hidden Machine - It actually works, sort of? - YouTube Aggro mechanics in this game are wierd, but at this point it seems to be intentional behavior.

25. St4ckbot reset tests after latest hotfix; Non-crits from a gun: resets it.; Non-crit splash from a gun (like OPQ’s spawned explosion): resets it, but if it crits it won’t. In the case of OPQ that’s only achievable through Megavore.; Grenades in general: don’t reset it. - Hunter Seeker: resets because it counts as a gun damage source. ; Barrels: if the impact that hit them was a crit (Fade/Megavore proc), it won’t reset (will actually stack). If it wasn’t, it’ll reset. The barrel’s explosion does not reset the effect anymore.; Shield Novas and Stinger: don’t reset it. ;
Reflect shields: resets it. ; Melee/Face-puncher: melee does not reset it. Face-puncher can’t reset or stack it (even if on Fade), but benefits from the gun damage increase.; Artifacts: don’t reset it. Includes Static Charge, White Elephant and all the others. ; Going into FFYL: resets it.; Fast traveling: resets it if between zones, but not on the same zone.; Mayhem Modifiers: needs testing. Thanks @RatoreFixed 9/10 patch

26. Not the Face Mayhem modifier reduces pet damage by 75% on critical, dealing 25% of their normal melee damage. Holy Crit, though it is supposed to boost crit damage, has no effect on the critical damage of pets. FL4K Pet Mayhem 2.0 Modifiers Reduce damage - YouTube Go for the Eyes is post add crit, meaning it isn’t a true crit for purposes of Holy Crit but still counts as a crit for Not the Face.

27. Stackbot
    • Non-crits from a gun: resets it.
    • Non-crit splash from a gun (like OPQ’s spawned explosion): resets it, but if it crits it won’t. In the case of OPQ that’s only achievable through Megavore.
    • Grenades in general: don’t reset it. - Hunter Seeker: resets because it counts as a gun damage source.
    • Barrels: if the impact that hit them was a crit (Fade/Megavore proc), it won’t reset (will actually stack). If it wasn’t, it’ll reset. The barrel’s explosion does not reset the effect anymore.
    • Shield Novas and Stinger: don’t reset it.
    • Reflect shields: resets it.
    • Melee/Face-puncher: melee does not reset it. Face-puncher can’t reset or stack it (even if on Fade), but benefits from the gun damage increase.
    • Artifacts: don’t reset it. Includes Static Charge, White Elephant and all the others.
    • Going into FFYL: resets it.
    • Fast traveling: resets it if between zones, but not on the same zone.
    • Mayhem Modifiers: needs testing.
    Basically fixed.

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

Does anyone have other bugs or observations to contribute?

[Piemanlee (Goodbye friends and not friends, it's been a fun ride)]

This may or may not be a bug. I swear i always got targeted in FA, since day 1

https://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/t/just-thought-id-make-yall-aware-fade-away-is-now-bugged/3802846/7

The rakk attack charges bug is super annoying and discouraged me from using the skill

[XHRYS]

FL4K is sometimes able to be targeted by enemies during fade away.

Also isn’t having fade away lasting 5 seconds a bug?
Since it was stated in the patch notes that it was going to be 6 seconds by gearbox.
This is surely something I want them to fix.

[Spacerobots (4SS4SS4SSIN - melee FL4K?! - n0nbin4ry r0b0t)]

Hidden Machine says it works on “damage” but I can’t get it to do anything to melee damage.

Melee FL4K math - Hidden Machine is weird

[This started out as me having a really hard time getting Hidden Machine to proc and thinking it doesn’t work on melee at all. It does… it’s just weird about when it procs and harder to use than expected. Not sure if this is working as intended or not, enemies seem to count as targeting FL4K a lot even when FL4K is invisible, enemies aren’t looking at them, or are shooting their pet instead. See the second post. A lot of the stuff in this first post turned out to be wrong.] I’ve been playing a …

Guess it could have something to do with enemies targeting FL4K while they’re in Fade Away? I do get attacked SOMETIMES, but a lot of the time Fade Away seems to be working fine for me and I tested this with enemies who were ignoring me and attacking my pet and I still couldn’t get any change to melee damage.

EDIT: Okay, I was wrong, just figured out that it does work on melee damage. But enemies count as targeting FL4K a whole lot even when shooting their pet or while FL4K is invisible. There’s something weird going on there. It’s hard to proc Hidden Machine unless you’re not aggroing enemies at all.

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

Considering that a month 1 patch is probably coming soon, I’ll notify the community manager after the Columbus weekend to see what happens to some of these bugs.

Does anybody have any other bugs or issues to report regarding Fl4k’s skills?

[minimang123]

I don’t believe the Bounty Hunter class mod does anything; there are no little hunt skill popups ever when shooting enemies which is just weird.

[Rabid_Explosions (PSN: iPayUrFrenZ)]

Im not sure if it’s a bug or not, but Barbaric Yawp doesn’t seem to “update” the values of the Jabber pet to reflect how many points you put in it (i.e at 5/5 if you float over the G. Horned Skag you’ll see +15 Damage and +30 Gun Damage. the Spiderant will show 3.0% h/s etc

but the Jabber stays at 5 movement Speed (doesn’t update to 15 movement speed). I’m not sure if it’s just a UI/display thing or if it actually isn’t applying to the Jabber.

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

Can you post a screenshot?

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

Which hunter skills do you have specced? It is a 3% chance and only on certain skills. Since we don’t have a test dummy, try taking a low level gun and just shooting Graveward for awhile and record the results however you can. If it isn’t proccing at all, that is definitely a concern.

[minimang123]

Wow, I thought it didn’t work. It definitely works against graveward; using a Torgue shotty with 18 pellets I successfully procced Furious Attack x10, Interplanetary Stalker x3, The Most Dangerous Game, and Second Intention. Every skill except Frenzy (not a Hunter Kill Skill) and Psycho Head on a Stick [bugged but should trigger].

Weird since I remember doing a Slaughter Shaft and none of them popping up. I’ll go there and see if I can get a screenshot.

EDIT: Yup, it clearly is working exactly as intended. I must have gotten unlucky before and not paid attention. It only doesn’t work on Psycho Head on a Stick (which doesn’t proc on kill anyways). Thanks for asking me to check, otherwise I would have kept spreading that lie.

[GypsyKing0 (Dylan)]

Great work making a list of these issues man!

It’s hard to say whether this is a bug or intentional but the ability of the cosmic stalker class mod “FL4K’s Hunt Skill Power is increased by 25%” does not seem to increase the “Damage” bonus that can stack on Interplanetary Stalker which is applied to the rakks. It does however increase the “Human Bonus” of Interplanetary Stalker by 25% which affects the Rakks. I covered this in my video where I discussed the damage mechanics of the Rakks but there’s an inconsistency with the Rakk’s receiving a damage boost from the Power Inside skill which uses the term “Damage” while not receiving a % boost from the damage buff that the class mod ability applies to interplanetary stalker “Damage” stacks.

[darreltan2004]

According to Demonite’s recent video, Hunter’s Eye buff to armored enemies is bugged and only increases damage by +3% per level (as opposed to +6%).

[ELPRESADOR]

I’ve had instances where frenzy didnt work at all. Pet would be doing damage and it wouldnt stack.

[boombumr (Here comes the BOOOOM)]

Tired right now, but will update sometime tomorrow.

[Benejoo (Benjoe)]

Hello everyone,
So recently, especially since the halloween update flak seems to be extremely bugged in several ways.

Oh so many times upon activation, Gamma Burst is not doing anything at all and instead directly goes in cooldown. No buff no pet no nothing.

Further on i was running into a new problem where a hunter skill wouldn’t activate at all when my pet deals damage (the raging one, don’t know the english name of it, sorry)

Going on with healing the pet through damage dealing seems to be partially not working correctly, maybe it’s just me… need further investigation at this point but something feels weird about it.

And another one i have pretty much ever since release is that occasionally my pet kinda freezes in place and wont do anything, which is kind of an anoying one since obviously as a pet master i need my pet to move in action.
Petting seems to reset it though.

I hope theese informations are useful in any way.
Good day everyone

[jbow2020 (PSN: JayBowdy)]

Does your pet tend to freeze more so with Gamma Burst?

For Frenzy (the one that activates when your pet damages) is best to spec a point into He Bites! because it will Proc it constantly.

[Captain_Conundrum ("I am a deeply superficial person")]

I do not know if this is just fl4k or universal since I am only running a fl4k right now

but I cannot mark items as starred or trash on the backpack side I have to move items to an equipped slot to mark star or trash.

Also, the jittery frame rate problem has increased feels a bit more closer to crashing. This is since the latest hotfix/patch. Fl4k ps4

[Benejoo (Benjoe)]

I haven’t noticed a certain pattern for when he freezes. Sometimes just like that and i also had it after teleporting via gamma burst…

The points in He Bites are well known stuff. Got that skilled… thats nor the problem. Before the halloween update i never had a problem with stacking frenzy.
The thing is that now it wont trigger at all… i tested this just a few hours ago. Letting only my pet deal damage in the middle of a little group of enemies… nothing happened. To be fair, it is not a constant problem… after restarting the game session it was working fine again but it seems that something unknown to me yet can happen to cause this bug

[Benejoo (Benjoe)]

This is not only you. A friend of mine and myself having the very same problem