He doesn’t really fill a niche in this game, his Digi clone is incredibly weak and gets insta killed by badasses, his drone is pretty terrible also, and there’s very little synergy in his skill trees on top of the fact that his damage output is severely lacking compared to the other three characters. His only saving grace is his shield and support skills, it’s pretty unfortunate because Zane was my first character and the run and gun playstyle teleporting everywhere with his clone and having high dps seemed really appealing, but as it stands right now that playstyle isn’t really viable on Mayhem 3 especially with bad modifiers. He needs damage buffs and I think making the clone invincible or significantly buffing it’s health would go a long way. It feels a lot the Axton situation in BL2 except Axton actually filled a role and had a purpose with his grenade damage boosts. Zane by comparison to the other characters doesn’t have much going for him and having two action skills should not be an excuse to have his pets be terrible.
Now someone will write to you that even Zane manages to kill a boss in less than a second, and that he doesn’t need buff.
With a broken gear combo that every character could take advantage of, I’m sure.
Personal question, where do you place Zanes survivability compared to the other vault hunters? Just interested, because I like my characters to be tanky. Zane is my last character I need to level to 50.
The first step is to make the digi-clone invincible, because, unlike Fl4K, it will not be possible to revive it when it’s killed. His skill tree, after Hitman, is the worst. Also, I seem to have noticed a hidden cooldown in Calm, Cool, Collected.
you keep writing BS all day and lying to people, what is wrong with you.
in hitman tree we have salvation that is 10% life steal with 5/5 that is nuts your health bar comes back under a second just by hitting anything on anywhere on enemies body. further more you can activate it by seein red every time you bust out your action skill. in barrier you get 50% less time on dot duration (which is insane) and even more life steal on frozen targets and you can freeze targets both with cryo guns or simply hitting crits and letting brainfreeze do it’s job. zane can also sit behind his barrier buff his shield by 30% for just 3 points boost it’s recharge rate and reduce it’s cool down. clone literally supports the least amount of survavibility and the augments do not work as intended which makes it further less viable.
He’s easily third in terms of tankiness, behind Amara and Moze.
Umm okay. You’re arguing his strengths, but not making the case as to why he’s better than any of the other characters and you completely glossed over my main criticisms of Zane. Amara also has life steal and hers is much better than Zane’s quite frankly and in terms of tanking Moze is better in pretty every regard other than Zane’s barrier which as I mentioned is his only saving grace.
you might have not noticed that i was replying to zartisomeone not your thread. i did not reply to your thread because i have not played other character to max level and can not speak of relative tankiness. all i have is zane facts, i practically never die at any boss fights and spam and i practically never die during mobbing unless it is cryo and rocket launcher hitscan dmg on me which if i gather correctly every characters struggles with. i have been playing co op since day 1 with amara and moze and not in a single way i found myself underperforming . again i refrain as i have not played other characters myself. But zane is fairly tanky both shield and health wise: zane gets up towards 30% life steal depending on spec and zane has fairly good shield capacity recharge delay and recharge rate boost which are further augmented by barrier and it’s own augments. So factually zane is tanky af. comparatively i do not know. all i am saying this zartychus guy is speaking ■■■■■■■■ about zane every day every thread.
I made it clear his tank tree isn’t the issue it’s his pets and overall dps I feel are lacking. I know quite a few of his skills are bugged at the moment, but even taking that out of the equation he’s underpreforming compared to the other classes. I’m not thick enough to think he’s the “Worst character ever” or he’s “Unplayable” I just think he’s just a bit behind and his overall character design seems a bit less focused than the others.
Man, I was not replying to you)) I am just refuting the guy I replied to. I stated it twice. I do not use his pets for very same reason U mention I have no quarrel with that sentinel is lackluster and clone…is clone and augments are off balance. Never I argued about it with anyone. Zane is just that strong that he can still perform without his 2 tress action skills and augments contributing properly and even his barrier capstone is not working at 100% I know Zane problems better than almost anyone. Never said it does not need fixing either.people come at me like I am some kind do gear box apologetic for Zane.
All I am saying is he is still good and very playable with all the issues
Hexxusz0r has been spamming the Zane forums constantly saying everyone is bad and that we are all using Zane wrong and that Zane isn’t weak.
His proposed solution to all of us: use elemental weapons! Did you know shock beats shields?!
Zane is NOT strong. Just because he is PLAYABLE does not mean he is STRONG. And he is BARELY playable in TVHM + M3. Barely. Just because he can accomplish the same task, doesn’t mean he is good, strong, or doesn’t need changing. Yes, he can complete a trial. Except for the fact that he takes 20 minutes while every other vault hunter takes 5. Yes, he can do crazy damage, no his crazy damage does not compare or match the other vault hunters damage. More so, he has no way to consistently do that damage 24/7.
If anyone is coming at you for being an apologetic for Zane it’s because you spam every single thread with the same thing.
Your inability to read is truly remarkable I have not only posted but provided gameplay to back it up and more is coming.
You could have at least read my previous reply in this very topic but you prefer to stay inane.
Maybe some other characters need toning down? Amara and fl4k already were altered. But no every thread is concerned at making Zane broken which is a wrong solution.
Okay let’s make rocket pod do 400K dmg and let’s make violent momentum 400% dmg there u fixed zane.
Once again, being playable does not mean he is functioning correctly, strong, or anywhere near as good as the other vault hunters. Just because you can play with Zane, doesn’t mean he is fine the way he is.
I mean, ffs, your solution to “bad builds” is to use elemental weapons. That’s laughable.
And their “nerfs” to amara and FL4K are barely noticeable. Look at how much they tried to buff Zane versus how miniscule their nerfs were. 2 seconds off of guerilla warfare and a tiny damage reduction compared to a +50% damage and +38% damage. Gearbox knows Zane is bad. You’re the only one that doesn’t.
again you have never read any of my builds, i do not even use elemental guns in some of those. there are so many things you say wrong that i would have to devote a thesis to it.
tl’dr being sentinel lacks, digi clone lacks a lot of skills with zane are not working correctly or underscaling.
but your idea of first of all characters being made for mayhem 3 is wrong gbx never even intended mayhem it is just a hot garbo thrown together in 2 weeks. seocndly if your base line of strength is nade spaming moze or auto criting fl4k then good luck with that. playable is not what i achieve with zane, i would rather call it effortlessly steamrolling the game. once again you are just posting lies having read only 1 of my threads that focuses on puting newbies on the right track. my builds are functioning in any difficulty setting for bossing and mobing, in co op i do not lag behind either moze or amara. yes zane does not get 300% dmg after swaping with the clone but so what it is only 75. i never argued zane’s weak points, he is strong despite those.
i have just as much right to consider a character strong if he can clean the area without eve puling out action skill or grenade as you have the right to consider that strong means infinite nade and rocket launcher spam. disagreeing about semantics is not a big deal. but spreading mis information about zane is. in this very thread i shat on sentinel and digi clone trees i shat on capstone of undercover tree and still i make the zane work on mayhem 3 rather easily. sorry that i can not relate to your definitions of terms.
Lol ok. You win. You’re god. The 10,000 people playing Zane are doing it all wrong and you’re the only one who knows how to play this game. You’re so good. Everyone else is just dumb and playing wrong.
You post the same exact thing on every thread. “Stop spreading lies and misinformation”. Your posts are filled with your inflated ego, which doesn’t make you appear more intelligent nor does it make you any less wrong.
For christ’s sake, gearbox even admitted Zane is the weakest out of all of them and you’re still standing on your soapbox screaming at the top of your lungs “FAKE NEWS YOU’RE ALL LIARS AND SPREADING MISINFORMATION!!”
Seriously, your ego can’t handle being wrong and it’s apparent to everyone except you. I mean, you even made your profile say you have a big brain… It’s sad…
I never said Zane is not the weakest… You are just angry and blubbering and insulting which I don Frankly care about. There are plenty of people who make Zane work just fine, maybe read more. Both puretek and gentleman have their own way. Of destroying mayhem 3 and there are others who are not very vocal but post here and there. You keep assigning false claims to me,like a politician. Not in a single thread I ever claimed Zane is strongest or he does not need buffs or he does not need fixes.
Try to differentiate between what I said and what you wish I said so you could bash me lol
Lol I also just watched your gameplay videos… In no way does that show zane being strong. Fire weapon vs level 49 lil skags… party play vs graveward…
Record a trial.
You also claim I’m not reading, yet you continue to repeat the same phrase despite how many times I repeat myself. Would caps lock help you? Because apparently putting it in bold didn’t help your reading comprehension.
ZANE BEING PLAYABLE DOES NOT MEAN HE IS STRONG
Trial will come probably this week. Graveward is mostly solo and if anything I was carrying that Moze who even admits in chat that he is a noob and I just helped him with loot.
As to vampire build I will do it today on mayhem 3 on Athena’s … See how you will be singing then…in fact I will make sure to tag you in the thread to embarass you a little Mr.politician.
Lol. I’m sorry you don’t seem to understand this, but unless it’s a trial, nobody cares about the gameplay. Everything else is easy. Yes, even on mayhem 3.