Why your builds suck! and how to easily fix them

God i am fed up with BS. guys being bad at the game is okay but asking to change game because you are doing things wrong is not. if you are 1.6 tall you can not ask to make basket height lower. Why not learn first and complain later?

thematical building does not equal building stupid. here is what i mean:

common mistakes people make are center around one gun; center around runing speed, center around cryo, center around grenade spam. you get the drift.

that is not to say running cryo oriented is bad or playing around movement speed buffs is impossible but you have to complement your builds. instead of asking the whole game to be remade to fit your 2 guns.

lets talk about cryo since it is the most commonly misused by zane players. just because you want theme of freezing enemies does not mean all your guns shall be damn cryo. first of all there are always enemies immune to certain element type. secondly there are times when you have to mix it up, you can not just ask for every enemy to be frozen and dead regardless if trash mob or a vault boss! compliment your build frozen enemies are easier to hit right? pair up your cryo nighthawking or crossroad with powerful sniper or pistol like unforgiven or monocle. the most comon complaint is annointed enemies, well boo heckin hoo they are immune to cryo so what they are still fairly easy to get around if you for a moment use a proper element or kinetic damage. do not put all your eggs into one basket, make builds that have all around viability in mind. do not only run guns that can not shoot air borne targets. if you have a ranged weapon and can not hit flying varkids or rakks, it is not games fault. if you finally come across armored enemy and you have no corrosive or cryo weapon to show for, it is you fault not games, do not ask to remove or nerf armor.

about builds that want to copy ryan centrals dumass idea, it is viable but think of what you are doing, if you run rough rider do not spec into adrenaline and then cry that it does not work, get the guns that suit the build like guns that require low accuracy and are hipfire friendly. like laser sploder or long musket you can not expect any gun to be hipfire trigger happy.

general way to make a functional build for mobbing: think about the obstacles you have to face in game.
1.shields -gear yourself up with a strong shock weapon/grenade
2.armor- have at least 2 options for corrosive damage opened preferebly at laest 1 for ranged targets and 1 limied but strong close quarters, or just ranged is fine.
3.immunities- is something flash and resists fire? have yourself a radiation weapon or a cryo will do fine. immune to shock but has shield? radiation or kinetic damage will do the trick. immune to cryo damage? stop trying to freeze it then use fire rad or kinetic. etc etc
4.bullet reflection-… you shall… haha just kidding it is terrible game design idea and there is nothing you can do about it…jk 2 you can still use splash dmg only or nades good luck.

tl’dr build around your strengths but do not pigeon hold yourself into 5-6 items. game gives you plenty of options and use them wisely. my general advice is to carry 3 sets of 3 elements. for example fire smg,ar,shotty, shock pistol,ar,nade. radiation sniper,launcher,SMG. do not let the game empty up your ammo pool and meet the challenges it throws at you with brains not “muh build”

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Btw using a COV with 12% mag regen during clone is a decent way to regen ammo consistently, but a COV with a big “shots to break” is preferable.

People definitely seem to be hyper-focusing on their builds (even when they’re not even at the lategame / TVHM yet), this is a good thread.

I picked the Shield tree pre-buff as I figured that’d give me the most flexibility with Zane, and not gonna lie but I love it. Might spin up the clone later in my playthrough.

Shield into Brainfreeze, pick up a couple of decent Maliwans (greens until I got the Legendary VIP reward) to cover elemental weaknesses and you should be set. I always favour Jakobs snipers (habit from BL2 Zer0, hah) as a backup for hard targets / thinning out a mob.

Honestly, loving Maliwan weapons. Being able to toggle from Shock to Fire, or Shock to Corrosive is absolutely amazing for build flexibility.

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if you get the trevenator shotgun from maliwan and you do not finish off shielded enemies with shock but rather fire or rad. you won the game big shock dmg check big corrosive dmg check. only aspect where it lacks is fast moving or hovering armored enemies but add one more gun like hornet or barrage and you are done with having armored enemies covered.

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The problem with a lot of people is that they are trying to force something that doesn’t work. They don’t want to change/adapt their build or playstyle that they found on the internet. There are 200 legendary items with probably many coming with future dlc (this isn’t including all the unique blue/purple gear). Of course not every single weapons/shield/grenade is going to work with Zane, this holds true for every Vault Hunter. As much as I want Distributed Denial to get the amp damage from the Re-Router it just doesn’t as of right now. I had to change my build or gear to accommodate so I instead took Seein’ Red.

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i could my IELTS score is 8.0 i just don give a damn :smiley:

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I have one problem with all of this. Its all very informative and i played Zane from the start working on diff builds, building up gear for each and feeling like some sub zero machine… Then i played Amara and made a simple elemental build and sadly even on an neutral mayhem 3 map with no buffs or debuffs i notice a serious gap in damage between the 2 chars and thats with Amara suffering debuffs. I don’t think even if i had the “perfect” set of anointed gear and the “perfect” build can Zane catch up to the damage my Amara does just by pulling a trigger, no gimmicks , no i need to do this or that if this or that show up…
TL,DR I played Zane and didn’t believe all the issues with him until i actually played a diff char and easily made something way more powerful with less effort

Well. I’ve done many different builds with Zane, and while I’ve definitely found dozens of builds that totally suck, I’ve found and made some that are totally destroying it. Sure, he’s not in a perfect state. His skills’ damage potential was apparently not as easily described to players compared to other characters, and yes he requires more effort to work.
But a lot more effort, for something that does less than the others? Nah, I don’t think so. I think he can be very strong, scary strong in fact. He’s also got absolutely hilarious sustain, and it’s very easy for him to buff/help the other characters. And yes, he can do hilarious amounts of damage.

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Congrats, this post contained 0 useful information. You’re acting as if you’re a god and know something we don’t, and then you simply say “use weapons that align with the weaknesses of enemies!” as if we don’t all know this. This has nothing to do with our builds. Zane is bugged, glitched, and weak.

Your post has literally nothing to do with Zane. You think you’re the only person on earth using elemental weapons? You think everyone is running around with 4 kinetic or 4 cryo weapons? Tone down your ego.

It’s common sense to use a shock weapon against a shield and corrosive against armor. Nobody runs around with 4 cryo weapons, sorry to break it to you. Zane is bugged and has many skills that are not functioning right now. He doesn’t need buffs or his gameplay changed, he needs to be fixed. Until then, we have every right to moan about Zane being garbage. He is literally bugged and broken. You are not a genius god who knows something we all don’t.

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Bingo. I guess people want to like Zane so bad they have all these elaborate things they tell people on how to play him. After having a level 50 Zane and now, a level 50 Fl4k…the two aren’t even on the same level - at all. With gear nowhere near as good as I have on my Zane vault hunter, my Fl4k absolutely destroys my Zane in both damage and survivability - with no need to keep trying these elaborate builds that are so gear dependent to work correctly. No one is going to convince me that Zane doesn’t need help. I’ve experienced first hand - not from friends or videos - how lacking Zane is in comparison.

Exactly, don’t get me wrong i love Zane but he is so lacking right now compared to the others. i looked at the builds being suggested as the way to play Zane, but all i’m seeing is that you shove an AMP shield with a sniper or shotty for anytime cryo isn’t working… hmmmm i can literally do that on any other char and also have their own buffs that do improve dps. I don’t think most the issues stem from Zane or his kit in general but rather how cryo has been implemented with the enemies

I think there’s some good advice in this thread so far, despite the confrontational atmosphere.

Just to add my own two cents, and these comments aren’t directed at anyone in particular, but I think the issues are twofold:

  1. Zane is generally buggy/underpowered; and
  2. Zane requires more work to get results.

For the latter, in some ways he reminds me of Zer0 from BL2. His kit is diverse; a lot of his skills are burst oriented; and he takes some effort to put up solid damage numbers. As much as I loved blitzing through content with Maya (RIP) in BL2, or less often Sal, I found Zer0s play style to be by far the most interesting, despite the higher difficulty.

Frankly, I’m not a great player. My aim is slow, I struggle with precision on console controllers, and I’m old. :joy:

Nonetheless, I’m somehow managing to get from A to B with Zane despite his flaws, albeit only at Mayhem 2 so far (for the most part). The bottom line is if you find his kit fun, you can get results. If not, why torture yourself playing a character you don’t enjoy?

TL;DR: I think both sides of the argument here have valid points. Zane certainly needs fixes and buffs, but if an old dog like me can make it work, there’s no reason you people can’t either.

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I fully recommend people forge their own path when it comes to builds. I dont like having to run fast all the time, but I DO like the hitman tree. So i took all the kill skills except the movement buff ones, and invested also heavily in undercover, and it works GREAT! Cold bore is really great for the weapon swap speed also, and fun.

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