buff zane. cryo sucks if you run into an annointed might as well close the game. theres a damage penalty mod for cryo but you dont even deal additional damage with it. no matter what build youre using you have to reroll tens of times so your guns dont deal zero damage. using the shield makes it so you cant even aim because of the screen clutter. cant use the best class mod with the cryo tree which also hurts damage output. even if you do use the infiltrator class mod you have to deal with 6-8k hp which you cant sustain with any +damage mods from m3 unless you reroll like i said before. give him real buffs. buff cryo damage. nerf annointed. change his skill tree. more damage instead of niche conditions. why should i have to move at max speed freeze a single mob and have both action skills active when other characters innately have just as much or even more damage than me. his cryo nova from âbest served coldâ should scale better. marginal amount of damage when you finally kill a single mob with cryo and it has a cooldown for some crazy reason. theres so many things wrong with this character you can go on for days about how you can change anything to improve the experience for zane players. theres no reasonable explanation as to why zane is so weak. hopefully his recent âbuffsâ dont leave him forgotten by the player base.
Another one of those threadsâŚ
Flagged for â â â â â â â â , I literally did it.
Would you like fries with that garbled mess of an order?
Does this Zane many ways to play video proof! unoptimized gear
Look weak? It is not even with best gear played on stuttering pc.
I just finished the campaign yesterday on tvhm mayhem 2 with a cryo zane using bubble shield and digi clone. I dont understand why youâre saying he needs buffs.
Yet another dude talking about how max speed is zanes dmg because of certain youtubers⌠I do not even use violent speed or momentum half the time⌠Zane does not need it. Cryo is super strong and Zane gets free Cryo for crits!!! And ton of life steal and AC reset from CCC, barrier is great.
Zane needs buffs but not the way op words it
Cryo nova is useless bullet ignore chance is too low dmg resistence is too low but Holly hell stop taking skills that are bad, before they fix them. What about great skills Zane has so many of them brainfreeze great ready for action great adrenaline? Fantastic expensive jacket is stupid good CCC is amazing so is cc and that is only the undercover tree. Btw Bak ham shield + distributed denial makes U near immortal and on top of it U get salvation from hitman. You can not die.
I not doubting you, but you are using a stop gap and two crossroads. Which is a gun considered overkill for mobs and only used for bosses with Amara.
@13igTyme I used non elemental bitch and it did fine so did the shock SMG. Stop neat picking I can do same run with cutsman SMG hell I can do it with regular purple SMG if people want. But that is beside point. I only ran crossroad cuz I don have much else U Think nighthawking or elemental bitch will do less? And cutsman will just own that area without using 300 ammo
Also I was using bak ham shield as well as rerouter in runs. It does not mean much.i can do with regular shield if needed.
Hmm⌠My Moze has 5.8k HP.
In Circle of Slaughter at M3 with second Moze at shield tree (Mine is Bottomless + Demolition), Fl4k with Fade Away and Amara with PhaseGrasp, I was the only one that didnât âdieâ. So please, donât tell me 6-8k hp is nothing. Itâs enough if You know how to play.
Youâre absolutely right, and for heavenâs sake ignore those who contradict you.
Maybe donât play on Mayhem mode until you get the gear you need to play a specific build? Look, we all know Zane needs some work done but by no means is he not viable. You can look at Hexxusâ posts and my post for builds that absolutely do work. While sure our builds work best with specific gear the fact is you donât necessarily need legendary versions of items to get by. Seek out the gear you need, and use a build weâve said works. I was capable of beating Mayhem 3 final boss with a Zane tank build, and my current single-shot build is more than capable of doing the same. Zaneâs not the character that has skills that readily make sense. You have to experiment and learn the synergy through trial and error.
my man!
if i had more inventory and items on demand i would do the purple gear only mayhem 3 clear, but the fact is nobody will care. if you take just a good hyperion shield and good alien barrel torgue or hyperion shotty and roll with playing dirty, you will still effortlesly mop up the area and only difference mayhem 3 will do is make you choose what 2 elements to use 
Iâm an Amara main, wondering how the Amara died.
Maybe she/he was wrong specced. I dunno. It was matchmaking.
Itâs rare Iâm not the last man standing as a Cryo Zane in any CoS.
Most of the time I get myself killed trying to pick people up haha
Zane have many skills depending on hes moving speed butâŚ
Moore speed = more damage and what ??
He should have skill that allow him shoot when sprinting. What was my surprise when I saw this skill in Maze tree really ??? its a joke ?
Yeah I did keep looking at that skill like why doesnât Zane have that lol kind of just fits with his playstyle so much more.
Meh, youâre getting hung up on Violent Momentum in general. Itâs good for sliding builds, it provides a reasonable base damage bump on its own, but movement speed modifiers increasing your walking speed are not increasing it nearly enough to be worth investing into if youâre purely looking for damage from them. Now movement speed does give utility and increases survivability, so itâs nice that weâre getting a damage bump from it⌠But the reality is, unless your movement speed is getting well and above 50% bonus, itâs not really worth it. Othersâ tests have found that Donnybrook with Death Follows Close modifier will add more damage bonus than Violent Speed will. When speccing down the Under Cover tree, Confident Competence is also going to end up giving more damage and you donât need to be moving all over the place forced to hipfire to take advantage of that. Not to mention that the 33% accuracy bonus makes most guns laser-accurate and thatâs just for one point! Now that skill is countered by using a Rough Rider with Infiltrator class mod. Thatâs why I say that Rough Rider with Infiltrator is not the most synergistic method, and instead itâs better to run with Executor, and pretty much any shield, though amp shields/ Re-Router are brilliant for sniping.
Furthermore, the biggest damage bonus Zaneâs entire skill tree has is not from the passives at all, but rather from the Barrier action skill. Thatâs the only consistent and easy to apply multiplicative damage increase his skills give that I know of. Now yes thereâs Trick of the Light and Cold Bore, but they are adding bonus damage, and both are not consistent (This doesnât mean donât use them as their damage bonus is huge, but situational). This doesnât mean donât take additive bonuses, but theyâll pale in comparison to the damage bonus shooting through the Barrier gives. So, being super speedy running everywhere isnât useful anyway since youâll have a lot harder time shooting through your barrier in that scenario. Now yes you can pick up your barrier, but it halves the damage multiplier, so itâs still not going to be as much damage as if you just sat behind the barrier regardless.
However, something I will note about running around with the barrier. Your best bet when doing that is using the Deterrence Field augment, as this does work when you pick up the barrier, and the shock damage is actually very significant, especially when meleeing. And you get to stun-lock the enemy too. Iâm not saying become a melee Zane, but that you can just run circles around the enemy while using your smg in your fast movement speed builds for plenty of free shock damage. An excellent weapon for that playstyle is a cryo Ripper since a melee hit buffs that gunâs damage output tremendously and itâll allow you to freeze enemies quick, which then gives huge damage multipliers to melee damage.
What build are you using ? The vampire build doesnât use PD. I have been making Zane and experimenting with different builds Iâve seen on youtube, but I recently switched to your Vampire build and it was awesome! Want to try the setup your running with PD !
man i run tonne of guns with PD build so unless you wanna come talk on discord i do not wanna spend another 20 mins typing :d