Perhaps thanks to Bahroo’s grenade and shield builds, Bottomless Mags seems to have been ignored. I think we’re all blowing the game there, because it has a high potential for abuse with Torgue stickies.
Torgue stickies are horribly abused by Crit FL4K and that drew a lot of attention. What didn’t draw attention is how many of those stickies Moze can drop on a target without needing to reload. With big investment in Bottomless Mags, Moze can pop dozens, even hundreds, of stickies before triggering them.
What am I talking about here? Say we get a 2-shot shotgun with 9 projectiles and a 10%/projectile bonus. Hit with 18 projectiles and that’s a 180% damage bonus, which is already pretty epic. Now imagine 50 projectiles at a 500% bonus because you didn’t have to (probably just decide to) reload until 6+ shots left the barrel. Moze has multiplicative incendiary bonuses for all this damage, too.
What if we get a better shotgun? Well, the numbers just get better.
Here’s my starting point for the build. I don’t care much about the action skill here, since we’re focused on stickies. I’m also a little cowardly, so I might’ve overinvested in Shield of Retribution. Please take a look and let me know where we can make a difference in the skill selection. I’m already looking at Scrappy to make those mode selections quicker.
Also, I haven’t leveled a Moze yet and I’m honestly taking my time in the game, so I have no idea what endgame gear is out there for her or what would work best with this build. Let me know what you think would be her top gear for the build, bearing in mind that the more Torgue items she has, the bigger the magazine benefits.
There’s also the Alchemist, a Legendary Torgue AR that only shoots stickies and does Incendiary damage. It does a ton of damage to bosses and anything else. No weird firing patterns or recoil, good sight too. It does do a small amount of chip damage to your shields with each shot though (or to health if shields are gone)
I used a lvl 14 one when leveling with the Legendary Class mod that gives up to 100% extra splash damage the longer you go w/ out reloading and she demolishes everything.
I’m using Moze Lv20 first playthrough, no idea what I’m doing but speccing whatever into the Demolition Woman skill tree, and she’s doing fine. TORGUE just kicks ass haha.
Will definitely check this topic for updates. I couldn’t make Maya a TORGUE monster in BL2 (not without the Community Patch’s buff to Spitters anyway), but Moze is looking good for it.
I originally started specing towards this kind of build and it was pretty fun. One thing to keep in mind when using stickies is that stickies themselves don’t synergize well with Means of Destruction as the skill does not proc until the stickies explode. You’re better off boosting the ammo conservation skills in the Bottomless Mags tree instead.
Edit: Fixed typos. Autocorrect on the iphone is not my friend…
Good catch. I may test this today, but have you noticed if MoD procs with Short Fuse? You definitely get a secondary explosion with that unlocked, but I haven’t kept track to see if it does proc. And if it does, is it worth it for MoD or another skill as you suggested.
Bottomless Mags is where I’m going next once I finish the campaign!
I thought about that, but still like it as a quick “reload” whenever you decide to trigger the stickies. Should be able to avoid reloading altogether if all goes as planned.
I have been playing a Demolition Woman build, with some Shield of Retribution thrown in. For the most part, I have beee using Maliwan weapons because of their splash damage. Howwever, for hard badasses and bosses, I have been using a Torgue pistol and its sticky function to do most of the damage.
This thread has peaked my interest, so I am thinking of respec’ing out of SoR and into Bottomless Mags and see how that affects my damage against hard targets. I’m tracking this thread, and if I can see some results from testing, I’ll post it up here.
I currently am level 18
Got 5 points in fire in the skag den and 3 points into means of destruction with a 2 magazine torgue shotgun and i just got 10 shots in on a guy before i reloaded
Im not sure if its both those skills or just the sticky alone but it is triggering. Im also curious if its because its a radioactive element
I’m building a torgue Moze focused build stacking most everything into demolition tree. Im still experimenting but any tips people can toss my way would help me with the future of the build. I’m only level 13 at the moment.
roboteconomist
(Probably the dumbest Moze player...)
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Once you’ve maxed out Means of Destruction, double penetrating Torgue pistols/ARs and high pellet count Torgue shotguns will be your best friend, as well as grenades that either do constant tic damage (quasar, storm front, hex, etc) or have lots of child grenades.
I think that Some for the Road is where you want to get for Torgue Stickies. 5 seconds of free shots and then the fireworks.
Also, you can still get down to the Demolition Woman capstone. And have Auto Bear with Target Softening and General Winter for debuff.