I’ve been looking around and no one has been talking about how busted this is. I’m about to get Guerrillas in the mist and I feel like that’s gonna break the game. At the moment I’m running an anointed Bangstick and I’m deleting everyone in my path. And on top of the stupid damage I just wait to Fade Away ends to reload and Head Count gives me Fade Away back almost instantly. I know Admiral Bahroo did find the Torgue and Leave no Trace interaction but since then literally everyone is saying to play Jakobs/Hunter Fl4k.
Anyone else playing around with Torgue on Fl4k?
I have been using a combination of all different manufacturers.
The Jakobs and Torgue weapons pack alot of punch.
The FL4K Hunter tree is definitely works great with high damage and high crit weapons.
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Currently I stacked all the gun damage boosts I could and went down to get the fade away with no limit on how much you can shoot in fade away. I’m deleting bosses on mayhem 3 2 player difficulty.
Tbh, I really thought weapons like Jacobs would be amazing with Fl4k and was surprised to see myself using an smg. Something is not right with crits on this character. The skill +75% crit damage each hit makes something like an smg ridiculously strong.
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That’s what I’m saying though, I’ve been using a 9 pellet shotty and the only reason bosses arent insta dying is because some have immunity during phase changes. Lol I’m working down to the crit stack one, I believe Unblinking Eye, I have been using a Jakob’s shotgun to nerf myself.
No one is talking about it probably so it doesnt get patched.
Some players like mowing through bosses and not reloading. It’s kind of fun for the first 2 times or for farming.
And fl4k is the crit vault hunter, his skill tree is meant for it.
Either Fl4k needs to get nerfed or the other VHs need to get buffed. Fl4k is playing Borderlands 2 right now.
I’m all down for some balancing but I’m just worried about nerfing him because they are pretty balanced when you take away Torgue. Cause then you have to wait for Fade Away to come off cooldown, unless you are an Ace shot, which is skill based so thats fine. Honestly it’s not super broken till you get Gorilla. I think having Leave no Trace as a tier one is probably the biggest problem, because you feel/are broken early on, as soon as you get a Torgue shotgun. So I feel like changing the interaction with Torgue and Gorilla would be the best way otherwise they can risk ruining their kit.
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It’s not just Torgue… it’s just as broken with any of the “Call” weapons, Jacob’s, basically it makes anything into a boss destroyer.
Fade Away needs to be reworked. It trivializes the game.
Hmm in my experience I haven’t felt the Call’s being that broken cause once Fade Away ends it’s not super effective anymore. If I may, @smtrentcf what stage/playthrough are you on?
TVHM Mayhem 3…its on farm mode.
Fade Away eliminates the only weakness of a weapon like Kings Call has.
In combination with a weapon like The Duc Fade Away double dips the damage by making both the initial hit and the sticky grenade crit.
And gun like the companion making it have guaranteed status effects.
I can go on forever
Long story short…crit is the most powerul damage modifier in the entire game…and it given away for free. I don’t even look at Mayhem Mode modifiers anymore becuase the Fl4k they dont matter. And also with skills like Headcount and eager to impress the cooldown is not that long.
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Honestly does anyone use Rakk attack and Gamma burst at endgame?
It puts every other skill to shame
Very valid point, I can see where you are coming from.
It does make me sad because I came into this wanting to do a build like Mordecai with infinite Rakk but I found out how strong Fade Away is I tailored my build to that. 
But why? All 3 of the other games have all had tons of super overpowered stuff. If you don’t want easy mode don’t use that stuff. Looking at lilth in bl1, sal, krieg, gaige in bl2, jack, Athena, and nisha in tps
Screw balance in these games i say
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You definitely are correct, I loved my Kreig in Bl2
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Unfortunately becuase of broken mechanics future updates have to be based on things the.things that are broken…aka Borderlands 2 UVHM was geared towards unbalanced characters and gear like the bee shield…which hurts build diversity and weaker characters.
I’m not saying completely gut Fl4k…but Fade Away is far away the best mechanic in the entire game and thing alike Iron Bear, Fl4ks Pets, and honestly most Action Skills are completely underpowered in comparison.
I guarentee we are going to have a Mayhem 4, 5,6…etc and it’s all going to based around Fl4k trivializing the game if he isnt put into line with the other characters.
Yeah, I can see where you are coming from and I definitely hope that doesn’t happen but I wan worried about the gutting lol
You do realize Fl4k was designed this way, right? Something being powerful does not make it broken. Something being more useful than expected does not make it broken. Something that is obvious, but simple to attain, does not make it broken.
What you are seeing is a perfect synergy between 2 weapon gimmicks that are basically tailored to Fl4k. Torgue stickies and Jakobs work amazingly well with FL4K’s crit skills. Torgue especially works the same way with Moze and her bottomless mag tree.
Run a Hyperion FL4K, or Tediore, or Maliwan, and see if it is still deserving of a nerf. Use continuous bonus damage lasers or flamethrowers instead of bullets. Quit perfectly optimizing a character with gear perfectly suited for them and expecting not to trivialize the game.
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BTW, when has Gearbox ever nerfed a character post release? The closest to it was the Kunai change for Zero where they removed stack on deathmark. Maybe the nerf to Lilith’s daze. Otherwise, they mostly just fix bugs or in some cases nerf (like the probe in TPS)
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I’m not against powerful mechanics…I’m against mechanics that doesnt have a weakness or
a drawback.
Its dumb that Fade Away can make it through the testing process yet Phasegrasp doesnt work with the vast majority Amara’s skill tree becuase it would be “Too OP” apparently. To me… Moze, Zane, and Amara are playing B3 and Fl4k is playing B2.
So either the other characters need to be buffed or Fl4k needs to come back. At least take a look at Guerillas in the Mist…that s*** is stupid.