My understanding is that any form of gun murging/ swap scamming is classified as an exploit and therefore cheating. Discussion of cheating, moding, or other exploits are prohibited here on the offical forums.
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Jefe
July 5, 2019, 3:36am
#11
Swapping is no more an illegitimate mechanic than DuurPimping.
It’s not cheating. Fire gun, swap to RL.
It’s not modding or cheating in any way.
A moderator is welcome to comment. But there’s nothing dodgy at all - just cheesy.
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Piemanlee
July 5, 2019, 3:44am
#12
Swapping just makes everyone else into minisalvador if you think about it
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You could be right. The train of thought I fallow based on what is or isn’t intended within the parameters of the game rather then what Gearbox has let slide in in the past. The Flakker isn’t ment to do that much damage even with someone putting a ton of skill points and using a com to support it. Taking advantage of how the games code reads your current stats via swapping weapons would be just that “taking advantage”. This is how I view it. Maybe Gearbox dose have different policies when it comes to this stuff now but I was always lead to believe they didn’t want that kind of discussion on the forums.
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nat_zero_six
July 5, 2019, 3:47am
#14
Not cheating since it is a glitch/exploit or probably a game mechanic (no one knows if intentional or not, like salvador pimp/RL, there is a loading screen message saying try it with a sniper and rocket launcher).
It’s a flaw in the Unreal 3 engine that leads to all of this…I don’t know how this applies to other Unreal 3 games (there’s a lot), but I think the compounding issue is that in BL2, projectile flight speed for most weapons is low. The game engine can’t distinguish what bullet came from what gun and so it assumes it came from the gun in your hand and therefore will get any bonuses associated with that. With Sal, it’s his right hand the game assumes you are using… This is true for all gunzerking and can be seen most commonly in the grog/Harold swap for avoiding healthgate on raid bosses. There must be a compounding factor in that the RL has to be empty and I’m not entirely sure why that is, but it’s related to that overall flaw in the game engine itself.
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Slif_One
July 5, 2019, 5:30am
#16
no one knows if intentional or not
It’s not intentional. Basically, the Unreal 3 engine can’t discern from which weapon a projectile was fired. The damage from your current on-hand weapon is transferred to the bullet on impact, rather than the moment you shoot. Since most weapons in BL2 have slow traveling projectiles, and Salvador can dual wield, it’s very easy to exploit this weakness in the engine.
Jefe
July 5, 2019, 5:32am
#17
Interesting because I was discussing this with Pie elsewhere.
Gearbox inadvertently (doesn’t patch blatant exploitable glitches (despite several patches) but still insists it’s cheating and don’t you dare talk about it? Ya right.
(Except we were talking about something that is in fact not allowed to be discussed on this forum.)
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paulothead
July 5, 2019, 7:43pm
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Jefe
July 5, 2019, 8:12pm
#19
When it’s empty each pellet in the flower (and maybe the vertical pellet?) get the card damage and element of the RL but M$ is not added…unless there’s an actual M$ (last Pimp shot).
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paulothead
July 5, 2019, 8:30pm
#20
Well, it appears that my understanding is (once again) flawed, and you have provided clarification, and I am also confused as to why I thought that the launcher needed to be empty, because I thought the damage/element transfer happened just with any main hand weapon and the Pimp. I’m guessing I just didn’t read what I read thoroughly enough. D’oh.
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