Have done some testing and observing on the bessie and avenger and have come to the conclusion that they both need to have certain parts to be able to exist or spawn in the enhanced version.
For example the Bessie will only spawn in the new game with the ‘Heavy’ accessory.
I’ve found 3 bessies and they all had this accessory. This explains why some bessies have come over and some haven’t.
Pic of a bessie from old game that I added the accessory to.
Now for the avenger from what I tested the avenger will only spawn/ exist in the game if it has the ‘Deathly’ accessory. This explains why my caustic and blast avenger didn’t make the cut.
That’s good to know, I had only one Bessie out of 20 to survive the transfer, I’m going to check this as well.
And that means we have to mention this to some people from Gearbox to fix this. @VaultHunter101 check this out!
P.S. I just checked and the only Bessie that survived the transfer has a Heavy acc, same goes for Avengers, the only Avenger I have now is one with Deathly acc
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I am wondering if this is a side effect of the changes made to add the new legendaries into the game, or just a simple oversight? There are so many possible loot combinations…
According to my notes, my main Roland lost a Fearsome Bessie, a Long Bessie, and a Genocide Avenger in the transfer. Makes sense if they didn’t have the “right” accessories to make it through. I wouldn’t be able to tell a Heavy accessory from a hole in the ground, though… What prefix does a Bessie with it have?
The prefox is variable depending on other stats, but the Heavy accessory is pretty visible as a chunky bar under the barrel, attached in two places, as opposed to the Long accessory which is longer and tends to glow, as well as being attached all the way along.
EDIT: Just watched over a video of a Bessie drop in the remaster, it also had Heavy accessory. More evidence.
Awesome, that means higher chance to get a good Bessie then with it having fixed accessory now. Deathly acc for Avenger is great too, but that compromises elemental variations of gun.
I guess it’ll get fixed, so I’m wondering if it’s worth investing time for farming armory.
According to http://blmodding.wikidot.com/gear-calculator , Bessie have it’s own seperated parts table, which can be taken as confirmation that its drop rate is not affected.
p.s. I speculate that the tables are modified by removing the other accessories, so that’s why the guns disappeared when transfering user data (modded guns with parts not matching with parts tables gets removed by default). Avenger have it’s own parts table too that probably got tweaked.
I can confirm that elemental avengers are for some reason, not possible in the enhanced version, based on tests I did with the Willowtree save editor. However, for me it was only the “intense” accessory that worked on it. Deathly variants seem to disappear upon loading the game, much like elemental variants.
Hopefully some mods are created to fix this issue, considering the enhanced version has been out for about a year and Gearbox still hasn’t fixed it.
The above post by @thingswelostinth said only the intense accessory is possible, hence the photo of a deathly acc. Not sure where the confusion lies there, since it seems you’ve been right from the beginning.
Apologies for the delayed response, but no I meant the Intense accessory, which increases critical hit damage by 50% and somewhat increases accuracy. Deathly just increases base damage by 20% and accuracy regen rate.
@Mark_Levinson that may be the case that I did something wrong, for sure. I’m not sure why it didn’t work for me with the deathly accessory. I do know I tried it with both of those accessories and every element, all with body 5, barrel 5, mag 3, and stock 5 as well. Not sure why I had different results.
Either way I think we can agree that the Avenger no longer being elemental is a shame, especially considering the increased tech that it’s special sight provides.
I’m trying to hunt for an elemental Avenger in both remastered threads. So far went through 900 posts and no elemental avenger. Gotta check the fail thread, I think there’s a higher chance of finding one there lol. If deathly and intense accessories spawn then elemental ones should as well. I refuse to believe they can’t lol
