It seems every Maya player I meet that runs a cat setup believes ruin to be essential. Almost to the extent that CA is essential to a sniper build for zer0.
Yet, every time I try to spec that far I have to either
1: give up the reliability of my phaselock ability
2: give up life tap and scorn
For the curious, my setup: http://bl2skills.com/siren.html#055051050054055100515500500500
Does anyone else choose to forsake the cataclysm tree past reaper, or am I just going at sub-optimal efficiency all the time despite everything still melting in short order?
And yes, I do really like fleet
If you have reliable way to slag then you can forego ruin ( i donāt think scorn is enough since i run a full nurse maya build in 72 and I still need a slag grenade). Ruin is also effective as a healing tool especially on non-phaselockable enemies.
I donāt think it is comparable with CA though, Ruin skill is more close to Kunai, Double up of Axton and maybe I/O of Gaige.
I tend to use scorn sparingly for fear of not having it ready when I need it, which usually means thereās mobs of unslagged enemies. For that, wreck+CR+Florentine is usually enough to paint them purple.
Healing is rarely ever a problem with life tap, but during some boss arenas there might not be an enemy to kill. I could see ruin being useful there, but a moxxi smg and AoE grenade often solves that problem
just some comments on your build from a longtime Maya player, but keep in mind just my opinion and if you are wrecking #$#@ and having fun, then you have the right build.
I think you are overrating Quickenā¦ With a Leg Siren or Leg Binder, the bonus is pretty minimal, just a few fractions of a second, I know that can be important, but to me, insta-slagging a target (and the healing that can provide too) is much more important, particularly as I can spread that slag with Converge. I realize you have a Leg Cat, so no CD bonuses, but you still are rocking a BOTA Iām guessingā¦ Itās certainly worth one point out of Quicken to go get one of the absolute best skills in the entire game (Ruin) imho, but I go back to my first sentenceā¦
You are likely not aware, as only long time forum readers are, that Flickr is useless shown through extensive testing in a forum post about a year ago I think, maybe longerā¦ Those points can go anywhere since they arenāt actually doing anything right now, I would go Immolate, but again, it doesnāt matter much as you have the main skills of Foresight, CR, Cloud Kill and Reaperā¦ Are you playing at OP8? If so, you only need 2/5 in Life Tap to get its full effects with how much damage your guns do compared to your health. Those other points can go anywhere, I like a point or two in Sustenance for passive heals out of combat, but itās not a relevant skill reallyā¦
If your goal is to make a viable build without Ruin, then of course disregard most of what I said above , I do think you are giving up theoretical max damage by doing so, but to quote Mr. Torgue āWho gives a #$##$?ā again, if you love this build, keep rocking it!
Iāve had doubts about quicken before, but I like to use phaselock for wreck specifically so anything with a cooldown bonus is very tempting. I do use a bone as well.
Flickr is really completely useless? I didnāt know that tidbit, but I still need the 10 points invested to reach CR and Iāve never experienced immolate or Helios to be particularly useful. At all, really. But Iāve never done a full blown cataclysm build so I probably wasnāt in the best position to see them do anything remotely nice.
And you are correct, one point is just one point- except I need enough invested into the tree to reach it. Taking points out of sweet release would mean I canāt reach life tap, and taking points out of life tap would mean I canāt reach scorn. The amount given by sustenance always seemed trivial at op8, but Iāll take your advice and move some from life tap to there because itās the same tree.
Also, I actually donāt have CK. It likes to steal kills and in multiplayer that sometimes takes a second wind away from a teammate, and then I need to use res on them and have to wait until the cooldown ends to get my wreck bonus.
I probably stress over the cooldown way too much, but without wreck procing it just feels like Iām not sending enough bullets down range.
Still, thank you for the expert opinion. Next time I respec Iāll remember to abandon Flickr, and maybe a point or two from quicken if Iām not feeling paranoid.
āexpertā would not be a term to define me, āexperienced playerā would be more accurateā¦ itās more try it and see, see how much difference Quicken makes in moment to moment gameplay I meanā¦ go through one of your favorite areas with and without it and see how much longer it takes you to get PL back upā¦it may make a big diff to you to have and so you should keep itā¦
I looked through the forums to find that post on Flicker, but couldnāt find it. I like Immolate because itās just more FFYL damage, no matter how minimal, how could that not be useful when compared to the other alternatives in that treeā¦ The Cloud Kill thing is another area where you are choosing to give up more damage, but having more fun because of it, so keep going with itā¦
I also didnāt notice at first you had Fleet, I would definitely drop that one which would let you take imho the far superior skill Inertiaā¦ when do you most need to reload usually? after a kill, so having that reload speed increase is awesomeā¦itās one of those āhiddenā DPS increases like Foresightā¦ If you are Leg Catāing you probably want your shield up most of the time, so Fleet would just help you run away better and I think you can run away fine without it (a large part of my BL2 strategy with most characters involves running away so I feel very experienced in the area of fleeing wildly ) You could also drop both Fleet and Quicken and get Ruin and a little Inertia, but again, your goal seems to be to make a viable build without Ruin. Again, I suggest trying it with both (taking a run with Fleet, then taking a run without it and with Inertia) and see what works best for you.
I hate to admit this but 90% of the reason I use fleet is so I could throw on a RR and BB and zoom across the map when I fall behind the rest of the team looting the world drop sources
, I do think you are giving up theoretical max damage by doing so, but to quote Mr. Torgue āWho gives a #$##$?ā again, if you love this build, keep rocking it!
) You could also drop both Fleet and Quicken and get Ruin and a little Inertia, but again, your goal seems to be to make a viable build without Ruin. Again, I suggest trying it with both (taking a run with Fleet, then taking a run without it and with Inertia) and see what works best for you.