Does this relic also cover shields like FotFH? Also is it additive or multiplicative?
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Canât say whether itâs additive or multiplicative, but I can definetly say that it does NOT work on FoTFH.
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The Gun Damage and Fire Rate are additive to any existing bonuses you have.
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I believe unless youâre going for a pure allegiance build the bone of the ancients is better
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If Iâm using all Maliwan weapons, do you think the above average damage boost across the board for all elements would be good enough to warrant not using a bone? Iâd use one in single player runs but for online play, a Maliwan Relic seems like an attractive option
I would say that it depends a lot on which character youâre playing as. Characters like Zero and Maya benefits most from a Bone, because theyâre both very dependent on their cooldown to be as short as possible. Sal and Krieg have other means to get their action skill ready, so they donât really need it. Axton and Gaige are somewhere in between.
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So for Krieg I would be better off with a well rounded Mali relic then? Now I just gotta figure out if fire rate or reload speed would be best, thanks for your help Ronnie!
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An elemental relic ( BoA ) has a multiplicative boost to bullet and splash and DoTs ; whereas the allegiance relic only boosts the bullet.
I may be off on that, but regardless youâll get more out of a Bone.
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No not really. While it is unlikely for a Maliwan Relic to match the BoA, there are some circumstances where it can come very close. While a BoA is often considered multiplicative, elemental buffs are simply another modifier in the damage equation. Hence, skills like Wires Donât Talk and Strip the Flesh, as well as the bonus on the crunch com are actually additive to the elemental relic. Its just that most of the toons donât have elemental damage buffs that the bone becomes so valuable.
How valuable an additive boost is depends on how much of the said modifier you already have. For example, if you have a ton of crit damage like zer0, using a gun with a small crit bonus would not be as valuable as say Axton, who has almost no crit damage bonus. Hypothetically speaking, if Athena were in BL2, she may actually prefer a proficiency or allegiance relic, given the bone would be additive to her huge amount of elemental damage.
So onto the subject of Krieg. Krieg is one of the classes that benefits the LEAST from the allegiance relic. Most of his DPS comes from huge amounts of additive gun damage (Blood Bath, PiP) and Fire Rate (Elemental Elation, Embrace the Pain). Hence, he would hardly benefit from the maliwan relic as opposed to a Bone.
The characters that stand to benefit most from the Maliwan Allegiance Relic are actually Zer0 and Gaige. Because both have no reliable Fire Rate buffs, the addtional fire rate is effectively multiplicative for them. Zer0 also doesnât have that many reliable gun damage buffs, which makes the allegiance relic more valuable. Salvador also benefits well from this when using certain class mods as many of his builds are lacking in flat gun damage buffs (NKLO and MS are multiplicative). That said, it is still unlikely for the allegiance relic to outperform the bone under most circumstances.
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And I think that was the case for the Rainbow Hologram as well
Does this apply to the incendiary damage of the RH as well? How does the Cryo bonus from the CoE interact with Avalanche/Maelstrom?
Plus she doesnât really stand to gain anything from the FR or reload speed. And she tends to have ~65% additive gun damage with her action skill up
If using a C Gladiator, FF or Cannoness I suppose. But if running with a Storm, RH, COE, Dominator, which tend to be her more min-maxy coms, she usually has much less gun damage. I tend to run a Maelstrom-Tear spec, which at best has +35% gun damage (and 20% of that is when my Aspis is up). If capable of running at around 400-500 stacks (+180% elemental damage) I would say the damage relic would outperform the Bone (unless of course the Bone is multiplicative as you say)
I stand corrected. I knew I should have tested it first again instead of going off memory. I felt like I had tested it before and got that it was multiplicative with Maelstrom, but I either tested how explosive modifiers interacted with the cryo debuff and just generalized them, or I really did just remember it wrong.