This is my first post so feel free to point out my NOOB mistakes and let me know where i can improve
I have often wondered a few things about Badass Rank or BAR. My first toon was melee Zero and BAR is not so good for him so iāve never actually played with it on or cashed in any tokens, allthough i find myself still collecting Vault Symbols for some reason, but a bit of OCD can do that to you. Iām not here to judge you if you do or donāt use BAR, and donāt wanāt any arguments about āReal men/women donāt use BARā or anything like that, as things like the Time Trials need to be kept on a level playing field for all, understandably.
I go between using BAR and not using BAR, because I have a decent amount of stat boosts from starting many different characters over a couple of years.
Iād say the hardest (most tedious) challenge to complete is the one where you get AR kills while crouching, which Iāve only bothered to complete on my Axton file for the Dahl skin it rewards.
I enable it in co-op when playing with my other friends at level 72 or above, mostly because nobody else I know plays Maya and the max health boost is funny with her elated skill.
Crouching Tiger Hidden Assault Rifle, yeah i remember that one from a Maya i used just to get every BAR challenge done, just to have a different playthrough challenge, and it was tedious The health bonus is a good point.
I have about 1300 Tokens so iām not sure where that would get me, and i donāt know how long that would take to spend them all. You used to be able to choose where your points went didnāt you?
1, 4: I use mine, but I have less than most people here (possibly everyone ), around 11-12% in everything. Somewhere in the 41000-42000 point range, Iād have to check. I was pleased to reach 40k and am not sure Iāll make it to 50k.
2: Why not? Free bonuses, whatās not to like?
5: Steam says 602 hours, but thatās really more like 580 because there was at least one time I put the computer to sleep while alt-tabbed out of the game rather than exited from the game.
6: The co-op ones, obviously. Probably pretty easy for people who do co-op, but us soloists canāt do them. Counting the soloable BAR challenges, Slab UHF is the hardest. Jumping puzzles suck. Thereās also the shotgun one that remains hidden until some other shotgun challenge completes at rank 5 - none of my characters have even revealed that one yet. I think there might be a RL one thatās similar; I donāt really use RLs for anything but second winds so I donāt get many RL challenges done.
7: Theyāre extra bonuses, so they help all builds by definition. Thereās no build that requires a certain level of BAR bonus, if thatās what youāre asking.
8: If you want to. If youāre happy playing with no bonuses, by all means keep doing that.
Thanks for that, iād forgotten about the Slab UHF one. Iāve tried it, once or twice but after seeing a Rocket Jumping Sal just hop up there i thoughtā¦Meh.
I remember an Axton build based on very low health and health regen that needed X number of BAR points to get the appropriate health value, and now that i think of it Kreig, like melee Zero might suffer from BAR points also depending on the build, but i donāt donāt know enough about Kreig to say.
I only have a few toons with co-op challenges myself, and never even considered them so thanks for pointing that out, along with the hidden ones.
Krieg or melee Zero could be harmed slightly by the shield recharge delay stat. But after level 50 melee Krieg will always be using a Rough Rider, and even for Roid shields or the FotF he has so many skills increase the recharge delay that the BAR bonus wonāt matter much at all. Melee Zero wanting to keep a Roid shield stripped, maybe that could be a problem (though the Love Thumper would do just fine), I donāt play melee Zero so Iām not really sure.
I donāt do Pointman Axton health-gating either, but the only BAR stat that would matter there would be the health bonus. Again itās hard to see that mattering. No matter how high the health bonus, a turtle shield of OP2-ish or higher will still keep his health very close to zero. Or maybe one canāt use turtles that high because they go below zero? Sorry, as I said itās not a tactic Iāve used.
Regardless, gear is overwhelmingly more important than any BAR bonuses one could get.
Since I had time for a brief playing session - Iām at 43420, somewhat higher than I thought. Max stat is 12.5, min is 10.8.
It was advice on the shield recharge rate and delay for melee Zero that stopped me using it way back then.[quote=āWorblehat, post:10, topic:1562067ā]
Iām at 43420
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I absolutely love BAR - I get huge pleasure from checking boxes and completing things. I usually tick off most of the challenges (or the straightforward ones) whenever I visit a map, though Iāve never completed the Slab tower one.
That said, I donāt have limitless paitience when it comes to some of the moreā¦ painful ones. I do the grinds like Crouching Tiger for skins but never again! I also tend not to go back into normal and deliberately farm them - itās just a way I sometimes structure combat.
I think my BAR is approaching 200000 (although thatās slightly skewed because when I reach OP8 with a character, I copy the save file so I can have an OP3 version for solo and an OP8 for coop. Thatās meant Iāve earned a few thousand extra when I dip into an OP8 toon because I might complete half-done challenges twice).
I stopped spending my tokens at about 20% - this oils the wheels of normal combat but I donāt want to steamroll! And I turn them off when I want a bit of extra challenge.
Thanks for the welcome.
I first started challenges with my young son. Iād do the fighting whilst he did Vault Symbols and other stuff he thought was fun, and it kind of became a habit on first playthrough. His favorite was the Happy Pig Motel one and the bubbles in Caustic Caverns for the same reason.
I can think of a few i just donāt bother with, jumping over the lava in Eridium Blight comes to mind, but itās just a habit even though i donāt use it, which might be stupid or just a waste of time i guess
Thanks for stopping by.
My BAR is at a straight 25% across the board, mainly due to each of my O6 VH Prestige(ing) it twice. It helps get my mules to Sanctuary w/o having to worry too much about gaining levels (although since I started PL my mules, that has gone out the window ). Itās a mechanic for you to use if you want but itās not needed, although when encountering some of the more difficult raid bosses even the slightest boost can make a differenceā¦
Cool, iāve had mules that turned into toons i play also, like the Maya i mentioned i used just to get all the challenges (excluding co-op), and i think i prestiged 2 of them so far. And your right about making a difference too. My first Kreig i recently got to OP8 would probably loved some extra help, but as i mentioned earlier i donāt know if itās a good or bad thing for him.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
I just read your post (Mar 16, What did you do today in Bl2) about getting the Vault Symbol in the lair of Terramorphus, and had always wondered if that was it. And obviously itās a co-op thing. Another little Bl2 mystery of mine solved. Thanks
Ah yes, never thought Iād manage that one! Itās easier in coop (though still needs a lot of luck) if you jump forward just after they open the gate for you. It is possible to get Terraās tentacles to throw you up, but not easy!
My post was wrong though, because you donāt need to complete that to get the āChallenge acceptedā achievement; the achievement describes all ānon-levelā challenges but I discovered that actually means non-map, so itās a bit easier. I still love doing map challenges though.
Ok, i attempted the tentacle thing, and just standing on the spots where he appears from under ground but just kept dying and even thought there must have been another Vault Symbol for a while, and the one near the trap door was a decoy. So one person jumps down and the other can stand on the trap door correct? Then get the symbol just as the gate opens. Cool, glad you could cross it off the list, and good luck with the rest
My BAR is 43284, and everything is at 11.5%, or higher. I keep it on because I like having the extra bonuses, even if they are minuscule. When it comes to that shotgun challenge, Iām just gonna assume it unlocks after Open Wide! is complete since thatās the only shotgun challenge Iām not done with (I am on level 5 though. Only 328 more point blank shotgun kills to go!).[quote=āhattieinduni, post:17, topic:1562067ā]
I discovered that actually means non-map
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So does that mean that I still have to kill Master Geeās bitch ass to get that trophy? If so Iām gonna be there for a while trying to crush him with the gate. That fight takes way to long the normal way.
The health bonus is a good point.
Counting the soloable BAR challenges, Slab UHF is the hardest. Jumping puzzles suck. Thereās also the shotgun one that remains hidden until some other shotgun challenge completes at rank 5 - none of my characters have even revealed that one yet. I think there might be a RL one thatās similar; I donāt really use RLs for anything but second winds so I donāt get many RL challenges done.
