AAnyone playing this game without using glitch/cheats?

Borderlands 2 Gameplay Discussion (Spoilers!)
#1

I prefer to play a Game legally. I know that using a glitch is not realy cheating but stil. For example i want to Farm seraph Crystal. But when i look for the fastest way i only see people using glitches. Is there AAnyone Who Farms them Without using a gl litch?
I know its the fastest way but is the game really desiged in a way that you NEED to use glitches otherwise its almost impossible to get certain weapens Without spending years to play the game?

Also certain Boss fights… if even with te best weapons in the game you are forcered to cower behind a Wall because that seems the only strat left, isnt that Just a flaw in the game? It should be possible to use More than ons strat to defeat a Boss. Otherwise i tnink the Boss is Just to hard. ( For example the badassaurus Rex. Every Body sais Just cower near the entrance and shoot… Is that really All thats possible to defeat this Boss?

Where is the fun in that?
Its justmy opinion so please be gentle :wink: I was just wondering how others play and how other players feel about this

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#2

You don’t need to use glitches/exploits/cheese strats to do everything in the game, but that doesn’t mean some of it isn’t going to be goddamn hard to manage without any of that.

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#3

Me. Pyro Pete is probably the easiest raid to farm Seraph Crystals from, but you can just play at OP8 and turn the game down to OP0, or farm TVHM. The Ancient Dragons of Destruction are the best Eridium and Seraph Crystal farm in the game, they’re easy enough with a legal Salvador (I play with BAR off and don’t use ridiculous glitches like “Pimperhab”) and only take 3-4 minutes if you’re quick.

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#4

Ye i know i don’t have to use them. Im currently lvl 68 so not even top lvl but at this moment i feel im getting a pretty hard time at some moments. And what they say is “hey farm crystals”… Oke well i can, but at this point it takes me like for ever to take out a raid boss… So it feels a bit unfair if the games gives you an option to farm while it might take you for like… ages!
I was also just wondering how other players felt about this… I mean, i don’t mind if things get very hard at some point. But like the example i gave, only 1 way to beat him is sitting behind the entrance wall … it just doesn’t feel right you know. A game should give you more ways to beat a boss in my opinion… A boss can be hard… but so hard that you can’t even show your face without getting one shot while using a sham shield? In my opinion to hard.

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#5

hmm. i never thought about this lol. But do seraph crystals also drop in tvhm? I thought only in UVHM?
I think that way of playing feels more right to me :slight_smile: So thanks for the tip.

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#6

Gee I messed that up, I confused Seraph Crystals with Eridium :confused:

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#7

I’ve solo’d Hyperius, Master Gee, Pyro Pete, and Dexiduous with all 6 VHs as part of my NVHM playthrough, so I was doing that with about half the skillpoints of a level 72 character and only the gear I’d found getting to that point in NVHM, I understand they are deadlier in TVHM and UVHM, but you also have more skillpoints and better gear to work with. Only raids that seem really hard to me are Voracidous and the Ancient Dragons (and the latter feels a lot more forgiving than the former, fyi). As for farming Eridium, imo, the Warrior and mobbing in Tiny Tina’s DLC seem like some of the best ways to farm Eridium. Warrior seems to drop about 20 Eridium per kill (more from story kill because you get to moonshot him too) in NVHM, maybe more in TVHM/UVHM, idk.

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#8

IMO Hyperious would be the fastest seraph crystal farm since once you get to his area you can get him to reappear very quickly w/o saving and quitting. All characters have at least one or more reliable build to handle him that doesn’t involve glitches (and could you give your definition of ‘glitch’? Are you talking grenade jumping Pyro Pete to the upper wall of his arena, gate crushing Master Gee or something else?). Some characters will have an easier time of it than others but it’s possible to do with all of them. For eridium farming taking a level 72 character into normal vs the Ancient Dragons would be the fastest and easiest way to go (or to TVHM if you want future characters to start UVHM with all level 50 gear- the AD are known to drop the occasional legendary as well…).

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#9

I don’t gib, glitch, or cheat, and have gone solo to OP8 with 4 classes, have killed every raid boss except Gee solo, have beaten the time challenges (Appetite for Destruction, etc), and all DLC and HH packs. I know I’m not alone. Many of us prefer to earn everything we get, and take pride in having done so.

As for the Badassasaurus reference… you don’t have to use the barrier. He only reflects projectiles, so splash-only weapons, grenades, etc work fine against him. Flakker, Bearcat, splat guns, Tediore reloads, weapons with arcing round delivery like Leadstorm and Hail… all good.

Often times, things that feel impossible stop feeling that way once you find the solution. After that, they get easy.

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#10

+1 for the last paragraph there, in my over 3000 hours between BL1 and BL2, that is one lesson that I gradually learned about these games: Things that are wrecking you will stop wrecking you once you figure out an effective countermeasure.

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#11

I’m not sure what you mean by ‘Boss’ here. Raids are meant to be fought by multiple players, but there aren’t any other bosses in the game that I have to glitch or hide in order to beat. I find hiding in a safe spot very boring so never do it for non-raids and rarely a raid like Pete either… plenty of deaths that way, but I am playing the game, and that’s what matters. E.g. Badassaurs Rex isn’t easy but it’s definitely possible. [quote=“Frightning, post:10, topic:1551727”]
Things that are wrecking you will stop wrecking you once you figure out an effective countermeasure.
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Exactly.

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#12

And if you use Zero, you could always B0re him to death…:grin:

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#13

Yeah, I normally use a KerBlaster against BA-Rex, but the last time I fought him (getting my Sal through the story so I could get at Pete) I didn’t have one on me, so I used the corrosive Hail I had handy and it melted him but good. :slight_smile:

So true. At one time I thought all the raid bosses at UVHM (let alone the OP levels) were going to be something way out of my reach. But I’ve soloed them all now at 72, on various characters (and Pete and Hyperius at OP6 with my OP6 Maya)… now I just need to get one of my toons up to OP8 so I can join those ranks. :wink:

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#14

I should mention that I didn’t exploit any glitches for the NVHM raid solo’s either (I did use the lodge as cover versus Dexiduous, I could’ve also used the vehicles instead I suspect, though that does involve a bit more risk). My Axton has also managed to solo Voracidous and the Ancient Dragons glitch free, but those were honestly very hard (I was fairly lucky w/ the dragons to get it within the first half-dozen or so attempts, vorac literally bankrupted him due to dozens of failed attempts but I eventually had a really good run and managed to get him while in FFYL)

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#15

I remember the first few times I soloed Hyperius with Axton. I really had no idea about the “proper” gear that would make life easier for me (such as, Chain Lightning + Rubi for spot healing) so what I did was use a regular, non-corrosive Infinity (all I had at-level) to kill all the bots first. I was worried about ammo and I had this dumb notion of wanting to concentrate on Hyperius without the bots around to distract me. Boy that took a long time, even with a Bee. Then he would go into spazz mode and I would switch to DPUH + Bee to try to land shots on him, using my turret to distract, relying on transfusion grenades and Axton’s natural healing to try to keep up. I’m sure people have noticed that Hype’s novas get stronger and stronger as his slimjim mode continues (I love that term, what’s the origin? hehe) … at first, one out of the two nova blasts would just almost take down my bee, and then the second would break it and hurt me, but I was able to heal in time for the next blasts. Soon, every single blast was breaking it and taking health, so I would switch to an Antagonist for more shield capacity (I also mistakenly believed it would give damage reduction against his novas, heh.) Eventually every blast would healthgate me but I did manage to kill him a few times, a couple while in FFYL, heh. Also, I died many times. Frustrating when the gate glitches and you can’t walk right back in, and have to quit out and go through Washburne again.

tldr: don’t do it this way. :slight_smile:

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#16

Believe it or not, I actually solo’d Hyperius with Axton in NVHM as part of my PT (had done all of main game, was going though Scarlett’s DLC next) on my first attempt. I had a NE Infinity which I used a lot together with having Abel in my spec. I figured out pretty quick to only shoot the bots when the yellow colored shield wasn’t on them. Once I had dispatched them, I went after Hyperius himself, I had a Vitality Relic+Leg. Soldier and at least 1 pt in Healthy and was a tad overlevel (about level 37/38 iirc) so I had a generous health pool compared to base value for a level 30, but even so, still working w/ self-found gear only and about half the skill points of a full build. I won the DPS race with Hyperius, though I could tell it was getting close (I was gettin healthgated by 2nd nova a lot towards the end, thankfully Able gives % health regen on hit so I had that up constantly thanks to the Infinity, and I got Slag from the Turret (Double Up+Rockets), heavy Guerilla tree investment with some points starting into other two for leg com and stuff.

I had seen and read a few things about the fight, so I had a vague idea what to expect (unlike with Master Gee where I was quite confused by the expanding acidic pool of doom for a while until I asked @Scootalewis wtf you’re supposed to you’re supposed to do to survive in there, and then found out I was supposed to feed the Worm corpses to Gee by making him run over them).

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#17

But do seraph crystals also drop in tvhm?
No, with one exception, the Eridium Slots in Flamerock will drop them in both NVHM and TVHM, the catch they only drop “3” per hit.

only in UVHM
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Ancient Dragons Drop 80 Eridium, so best farm for that , although the “Warrior” is Easier to farm

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#18

Also worth noting to those who don’t know, this is also the only way to get pearls in NVHM and TVHM. In fact, the very first time I tried one of the Tina slots I got a level 35 Storm out of it. Crazy beginners’ luck. :slight_smile:

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#19

Forgot about that, may have to start farming those again now and again

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#20

The only time I killed Hyperious prior to reaching level 72/OP8 with Axton I did it with a shock Infinity- talk about taking a very looooooonnnnnngggggg time…:smiley:

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