Digi-Peak Build (Discussion+Help)

Borderlands 2 Krieg the Psycho
#1

Hello guys, i have been struggling with OP2 for a while. After a lot of reading i have found some builds that are looking helpful, but did not want use a copy paste build then i have come up with an idea which i want to share with you all. It is not a complete build now but looked viable to me.

Here are the skill choices for anyone want to check and leave without reading much:
http://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#53101500000050550100054141505131051

I am not actually that eager to explain whole build but i want to speak about key differences from other builds.
1.No Bloodsplosion : Because there are not that much of enemy density it looked like losing its strength in digi peak so i left it.

2.Fire Fiend: Since we have no Nerveous Blood a bit reload speed doesn’t hurt(actually i am not sure about it maybe it can be changed for Pain Is Power) and accuracy is kind of a damage boost more you send your bullets to your target more you do damage.

3.Mania+Hellborn: Gun damage provided by bloodlust actually doesn’t require you to go down that deep into this tree so combining it with more gun power is always good.For Mania it is your get out of jail free card for bosses or bigger enemies also it looks good for mobing between bosses.

Gear
I will go over it quickly

Guns:
Hyperion Shotguns (Hyperion barrel+Hyperion Stock)
Purples/Interfacer/Butcher/Hearthbreaker/Blockhead/Omen/Conference Call
3 different elements(or 2 with a Shock Grenade)
Topnea/Norfleet for getting up or peeling Surveyors
Florentine/slaga:For slag and swap

Shield:
Rough Rider/Flame Of The Fire Hawk:
For obvious reasons one of two

COM:
Legendary Reaper is go to for this build coupled with Legendary Sickle

Relics:
Changing Relics for matching weapons would be good or you might get use out of
deputy’s badge, Blood Of The Ancients also looks good.

Grenade:
Fastball: Huge damage with matching relics, also best trigger for bloodbath
Magic Missile: If you do not want to slag and swap but bloodbath trigger is lacking.
Storm front: Kinda good bloodbath triger good for bloodlust stack and healing from elemental emphaty.

Now i want your advise, help, critics. Will it work, if no why?
I am more than happy to discuss about it if anyone have an idea.

Thanks for reading this far!

Edit:For anyone curious about if build works it does not. BookEmDano gave a real good Mania/Hellborn build and im using it right now.

Weapons:
Hellfire
DPUH
Corrosive Butcher
slagga

Rough Rider
Legendary Torch/Sickle
Chain Lİghtning/Slag Transfussion/Quasar/Stormfront
Blood Of The Ancients

http://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#00000000000050550000155155555153051

#2

PLEASE NOTE : IF YOU ARE DOING THIS COOP, THEN YOUR BUILD IS ABSOLUTELY FINE, MY ADVISES ONLY AFFECT SOLO PLAYING.

Your build isn’t bad (it’s a pretty awesome mobbing build), but I don’t think it’s the best thing for the Digistruct Peak, since you are lacking of raw damage against almost everything, especially against armoured enemies. It’s a good mobbing build, but against enemies like double Saturn, OMGWTH, Dukino’s Mom or double Scorch, you’ll have a really bad time. But I believe it’ll work on the Assassins, Mercy or even double Black Queen.

Here is the problem : I can outdue you build (only in the Digistruct Peak of course) with a single build that works on every single threat :

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As you can see, I don’t have any point spent into Hellborn : this is because when using Krieg with Melee in the Digistruct Peak, you don’t need it, it only works on flesh. Spending points into Taste of Blood is also very important since you want some extra damage reduction, having Fuel the Blood + Buzz Axe Bombardier is also important since you get insane damage when killing something with a melee strike. Killing an enemy by throwing a Buzz Axe at him will also make you proc Blood Bath, and with Bloodsplosion you can keep it active since its damage counts like grenade damage.

As of items : you need a slag weapon (i use the Pimpernel/Florentine but you can use other things like the Grog Nozzle), a Double Penetrating Unkempt Harord (because Blood Bath), a Corrosive Conference Call for Surveyors and TNKs, a Rough Rider, a slag grenade or the Fastball to proc Blood Bath, Legendary Reaper + Legendary Sickle and the Sheriff’s Badge to increase Buzz Axe throwing speed.

Also : never underestimate Bloodsplosion, I can wipe out double Black Queen with it, and it helps for neutralising Surveyors or chain-killing a lot of enemies in the right situation.

If you have some questions, feel free to ask ^^

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#3

Element matching isn’t important in the Peak. only Corrosive doesn’t have any penalties. You get the full buff on Corrosive iirc, and not fire or shock. Not sure on explosive. But I would stick to Corrosive if element matching thru the peak. :wink:

I know that isn’t Krieg’s strong point. But it is what it is. :slight_smile:

I’m not a Krieg player so I don’t have much insight to your build or weapon choice. I just know that element matching isn’t as important, except for corrosive, when running the Peak.

#4

f you’re using Blood Bath, then I would suggest speccing into Buzz Axe Bombardier and Fuel the Blood. Melee kills trigger Fuel the Blood, and thrown axe kills with Buzz Axe Bombardier trigger Blood Bath, and with a Sheriff’s Badge you can throw axes quicker. Time it right and you’ll come out of RtB with a few kills and Blood Bath ready to go. Boiling Blood is also a great skill for keeping Bloodlust Stacks, and more points in Taste of Blood generate more Bloodlust stacks per kill, which further boost Blood Bath and Fuel the Blood. If you’re gonna spec into Bloodlust, you may as well go all out and reap the benefits. Strip the Flesh will also benefit Blood Bath and Fuel the Blood during RtB. I’d also take the point out of Flame Flare, that skill likes to kill you worse than Silence the Voices.

Bloodsplosion never loses strength, in fact it gets better the more OP levels you advance, later you can kill both Black Queens with it or at least weaken them, and you can chain Bloodsplosion onto Surveyors (which become a major problem on the peak) if you time the kill just right. If there’s a BA enemy you’re having a hard time with, kite it and lure some weaker enemies to your vicinity then take out the weakest and watch the Bloodsplosion clean up!

Finally, never underestimate Redeem the Soul, solo it’s a flat 50% extra FFYL timer and coop it’s an instant revive on a downed teammate, kite around them and wait until the last second then Redeem the Soul, it’s a strategic skill that can keep your team in the fight a lot longer if you wait it out rather than just rush to revive, but even solo the benefit is hard to overlook.

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#5

Only Assassin Oney resist explosives I think, and Krieg can boost it so explosive is the way to go imo (DPUH is love)

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#6

Thanks for the advise i also like to play krieg explosive it is such a blast but you know sometimes people want some change. Why i commited on the hellborn tree that much is consistent gun damage it gives to you and nice survival by numbed nerves and elemental emphaty. I think spending taste of blood 5 points is total waste because you don’t want to be in relase the beast that much. Also having numbed nerves and rough rider at the same time you already having diminishing returns on damage reduction(i do not know the exact topic but i think it was calculated and max damage reduction krieg can reach was something like %67.decimals decimals) also you have your relase the beast reduction on. I know fire damage sucks on peak but it applies to normal characters here we are looking at %60 damage boost from burn baby and relic boosting it looks nice. I know the buzz axe bombardier is a good option i will take it to consideration. thanks all

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#7

Yeah, i missed the redeem the soul and i will take take point from flame flare if they did not fixed it yet i thought it was fixed.For bloodlust stack i do not need taste the blood i have DoTs for days with this build. The thing is i don’t want explosions i want to burn or dot something with this build. Thanks for all the advise.

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#8

I’m not sure what you mean by this?

I understand wanting to play differently, after all there’s no wrong way to play Borderlands, whatever works for you is all you need :wink:

#9

I was causing stacking of dots on you so you die incredibly fast that was the case but if it is not stacking anymore it would be wiable.

#10

I don’t think it stacks, but it can still kill you nonetheless, particularly between fights when you’re still on fire but there’s nothing to heal from. Even if it didn’t kill you, I never really saw the point of it, like I get that it can help retain Elemental Empathy longer but you build stacks so quickly anyway I don’t see a purpose to hurting yourself and potentially dying. But that’s just my outlook.

#11

And i have liked your outlook i kinda felt dumb :smiley:

#12

Nobody’s dumb when it comes to Borderlands, it’s a complex game and Krieg is by far the most complex character. You can only get smarter :wink:

#13

It was fixed, as far as I know.

About your build, I would only change those one-points from Blood Overdrive and Thrill of the Kill over Redeem the Soul and Silence the Voices, the skillpoints distribution seems solid enough for a hellborn-mania spec.

Except until you compare its survivability against some other build using Elemental Elation and Burn, Baby, Burn (e.g.: facing ulti-badasses head-on).

It’s shock and slag that don’t have penalties on elemental matching: here
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It may be redundant when you’re using weapons with high elemental effect chances or fire-rate but that’s not your reality whilst rampaging so a few points into Flame Flare means longer Raving Retribution and Numbed Nerves uptime, with the extra fireballs from Raving Retribution increasing your chances to re-apply DoT’s, indirectly boosting your survivability from Elemental Empathy but also increasing your chances to re-ignite, wich means more Numbed Nerves and more Raving Retribution.

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#14

If I had to make one key suggestion to you it would be to switch to Legendary Torch. Your survivability will be at its highest with that.

When I soloed OP8 with Krieg I was using a Mania-Hellborn build. It was a while back but I think my gear included:

Legendary Torch
Rough Rider
Blood of the Ancients (Shotgun/SMG ammo)
Chain Lightning
Hard Unkempt Harold
Consummate Hellfire
Slagga
Corrosive Practicable Butcher

Mania-Hellborn requires a constant balance between gun play and RtB. You’re going to be relying heavily on DoT for damage and healing. Burn damage from Hellfire is so high at times with Flame Flare activating over and over you’re effectively wearing down enemies via a cumulative Burn effect. I never would have thought a Corrosive Butcher would have been so effective but it really shines throughout key engagements. The overall DoT that you generate is really impressive to watch.

Also, be prepared to chuck a lot of axes. Fortunately, this is not a problem with 10/5 Elemental Elation. It’s going to be a major damage source for you. And with 10/5 Fire Fiend you’re basically maintaining constant self-ignite. This means your passive form of healing via Raving Retribution is going strong, Numbed Nerves is giving that damage resistance, and your other DPS skills are active e.g, Elemental Elation, Fire Fiend, Pain is Power, and Salt the Wound.

Keep in mind that anytime you go heavy into Flame Flare you risk Burning out without any healing from Elemental Empathy. But unlike Bloodlust-Hellborn builds, you have RtB to heal. Which leads me to an important point: Your timing with RtB must be perfect because it’s your fallback. This will especially help you with the bosses. Don’t engage with melee. Throw axes and keep your distance.

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#15

Yeah, he has a lot better survivability thanks to Elemental Empathy, but I like risk-reward so I sacrifice some tankiness and max my damage potential ^^
When an Ultimate Badass comes to the party, I just slag him, spam the DPUH until I can Release The Beast and finish him off (if needed), that’s pretty easy ^^
Also with my build I can’t easily deal TNKs and Surveyors, I have to use the Conference Call to get rid of them (idk why but this weapon wipe TNKs out even more quickly than the DPUH !)

#16

if not in the Peak, you would be correct. But when in Digi-Struct Peak, you are wrong good sir.

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#17

Well said. This is crucial for survivability in any Hellborn build.

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#18

BookEmDano thanks for the feedback and build advise looks so HOT it is straighter than which have i built i will give a try to something like this. Im tired of trying to find a butcher so im going with my hornet, also i am going to farm and hellfire. What about chain lightning replacement could i replace it quasar or storm front. Also thanks all you guys for quick feedbacks.

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#19

Butcher is ideal because of the free ammo and the extended magazine gained from Elemental Elation works so well with it. Hornet is excellent, but you might find ammo or DPS to be an issue especially with majors. Try it though.

Sure you could use a Quasar or Storm Front but I always preferred Chain Lightning because it’s an instant way to self-ignite, heal, and break enemy shields. It just depends if you favor crowd control or extended shock DoT.

Best of luck.

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#20

Storm Front + Grog is the way to go in my opinion (boosted by Fuel the Blood and triggers Blood Bath), but the Chain Lightning is better for a quick healing.
Quasar is good but on Krieg i don’t like it that much, its just not for me i guess ^^