Why is Moxxie on the Moon and not Dr. Zed or Marcus?

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#1

It just came to me that Marcus is missing, but his machine’s are on the moon. Dr. Zed is missing also, he has been replaced by Nurse Nina - including his machines. But Moxxie is there instead of Pandora, where I presume the others are at this time. And why are they expanding Moxxie’s role in the story, a character that has always been an NPC? Personally I would have rather they made one of the controllable characters responsible for what Moxxie did… Unless Moxxie is going to be a controllable character in BL3(???).

EDIT:
Im adding this from two posts down so people know that after Slif_one commented I DID give Moxxie the benefit of the doubt - so we don’t have to convince me she is smart anymore, 'kay?

#2

I assume Moxxi was there because of what she did, aside from possibly expanding her business it seems she had been planning to take Jack down for some time and used Elpis as her base of operations. TPS gave Moxxi a crucial role in the story, and I think it’s because of that role that she was on Elpis, Marcus and Dr. Zed either had nothing to do with it or wanted nothing to do with it. That’s my theory, anyway.

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#3

Well that is a plausible explanation (theory), though it begs my question - which is why give Moxxie that role in the first place. It is what it is, but that could have been someone else - perhaps even someone new. The way Moxxie is characterized, she doesn’t come off as that intelligent - more like the female version of Mr. Torque - only estrogen instead of testosterone. It’s my opinion, but shoving her in that role feels awkward and forced.

The one caveat, though is when you “catch” her being her real self (remember, no accent, street clothes, welding - and even said she had a kid)… So Moxxie isn’t the vixen she plays as, perhaps. I wonder if that means they are going to transform Moxxie out of that harlot personification, and say it was all an act (they already said that but will she be “coming out” as a more conservative person?).

It might depend on who wins the Presidency before they decide which way Moxxie will go… lol

#4

For Dr. Zed, there was a BL2 mission about collecting ECHO logs. When Roland invited him to Sanctuary, he explicitly said he didn’t want to move out of Fyrestone, until Hyperion (I think?) attacked the town. So in TPS timeline, he’s still at Fyrestone.

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#5

Right you are. As a matter of fact, in the echo logs right after he said that you could hear the robots attacking and he immediately changed his mind (hilarious)… So. yeah, he couldn’t be on the moon because Jack had already sent the robots to the planet while Zed was in Fyrestone.

Well that explains Zed’s absence.

#6

At first I thought the same, but if you read between the lines even as far back as BL1 there are glimpses of her intellect, she’s far from stupid we knew that before TPS, especially shown in BL2. Her character, as well as giving her a sense of purpose in the world she lives in, is also a way for her to get close to everyone and hear everything, she’s the spymaster of Pandora, it’s the perfect disguise. Even seen Black Sails? Moxxi is Max, she hears more than she ought to and knows everyone’s secrets.

As for why her, well she dated Jack for a time and has seen the inner Jack that we know in BL2 but he hides from us in TPS, really she was the perfect person to bring him down, her disguise was as good as Timothy’s and Jack was blind to her.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see her surface as a villain to be honest, she could use the intel she acquires to form her own army and use it to seize control of Pandora or start hunting vaults on her behalf.

Beware the women, Mr. Featherstone. They bite. - Captain Jack Rackham, Black Sails.

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#7

Moxxi is on the moon because when she ditched Jack, he became insanely jealous - to the point of burning down the original Underdome (BL1). She probably figured she’d be out of reach on Elpis since Hyperion had no presence there; little did she know how events would unfold!

And yes, she is extremely smart - she saw through Jack long before anyone else did, she’s a tech wizard, and she knows what sells.

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#8

That’s no secret that Scooter and Elie are her children.

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#9

Even in bl2 we kinda saw she was a very important character that kinda had her reach all over the place. I don’t know how she could come off as dumb, she is well spoken, composed, runs her own businesses, I’ve always seen her as a very intelligent character. Being sexy doesn’t mean stupid, one can be both.

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#10

Between the Knoxx DLC (BL1), Torgue DLC (BL2), and parts of the main story (BL2), she was already turning into a pretty major character before writing started on TPS. Jack is a great villain, the VHs are… I’ll go with ambiguous. Moxxi was a logical choice as a counter to Jack.

Edit: overlapping with @Derch there - I see we’re on the same wavelength!

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#11

Sexual doesn’t = Stupid. A woman can be proud of her body, and smart. A woman can have lots of sex and be smart.

This is a good article on the subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hannah-cranston/why-my-bikini-photos-and-_b_9554342.html?

Hannah Cranston is a very beautiful young women who graduated Phi Beta Kappa and Magna ■■■ Laude from Duke University with a major in Psychology, minor in Economics, and certificate in Markets & Management. She also posts pictures of her self in very small bikinis on her instagram.

Here is a line from that article

This concept, that a woman cannot both embody an element of nudity and implied sexuality and professionalism simultaneously, is one that is widely held, largely erroneous, and intensely personal to me.

There is no connection between sexuality and intelligence. You can be smart and sexy, you can be sexual and sexy.

Also look up Cara Santa Maria, a very smart woman who is a science communicator and is often around people like Bill Nye, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Lawrence Krauss, etc… She has also modeled.

So I guess besides her sexuality, what about moxxi makes her come off as not intelligent? This is your second thread about her and in both you accuse her of not being intelligent and you always focus on her sexuality it seems. So please tell me where I am wrong.

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#12

Come on! “Magna ■■■ Laude” is censored ?

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#13

This seems to stem from a widely distributed prejudice that links sexual desire with a lack of control (and by extension, a lack of judgement and intellect).

I can’t remember a single line of dialogue or moment in either games that I have played where Moxxi comes off as unintelligent.

Even her sexual innuendo is sometimes clever and always delivered with perfect use of language.

In fact, even before she was revealed as a tech genius in TPS, I was already clear from dialog and demeanor that she was more than just a nice pair of … Winning smiles.

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#14

Thought you were going to say “onions”, but then you did mention “before she was revealed … in TPS”

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#15

I gave Moxxie the benefit of the doubt in my follow up post, so I don’t see how that really applies. Also, it isn’t about her sexuality - that is not my point nor inference. It is just that Moxxie never had any dialogue or role in the past that gave us a clue that she wasn’t anything except what she was. And my thing about Moxxie isn’t about Moxxie - it’s that it could have been a new character taking it in a newer direction. i would have said that whether it was Moxxie or anyone else - but even if I did have some issue with the Moxxie character, does that really matter? Who cares if I like Moxxie or not and why should I be “convinced” to like her? Moxxie is not a real woman - she is a video game character and I don’t mix those values nor do I feel any sort of commitment to treat a made up cartoon character with human values. I’d like to keep talking about it like it is - a video game and not real life.

#16

“If I know my explosives – and I’d like to think I do – you could use those charges to flood the construction site” (Moxxi, BL2 side quest)

“If you’re ruthless, look fat. If you’re smart, look sexy” (Marcus quoting Moxxi, Mercenary Day HH pack)

So by that second quote, Moxxi must consider herself (at least) to be very smart, no?

#17

I don’t think anyone is trying to convince you to like her, but rather we find your idea that Moxxi is an unintelligent character wrong.

This is not about how you should feel about Moxxi but rather how you analysed the character.

I think there were plenty of clues suggesting she was very bright. If anything, TPS hammered the point a bit ham-fisted.

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#18

It did that with quite a few things, but then Australians are not particularly noted for their subtle commentary (or sports, come to think of it - Aussie Rules footy, anyone?)

#19

Don’t forget Innuendobot. She literally reprogrammed a loader’s Friend or For identification, and its personality to the point it became capable of learning independently.
That is some seriously advanced level a.i.

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#20

So what do you think this whole post was about?[quote=“Derch, post:11, topic:1547637”]
Sexual doesn’t = Stupid. A woman can be proud of her body, and smart. A woman can have lots of sex and be smart.

This is a good article on the subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hannah-cranston/why-my-bikini-photos-and-_b_9554342.html?

Hannah Cranston is a very beautiful young women who graduated Phi Beta Kappa and Magna ■■■ Laude from Duke University with a major in Psychology, minor in Economics, and certificate in Markets & Management. She also posts pictures of her self in very small bikinis on her instagram.

Here is a line from that article

This concept, that a woman cannot both embody an element of nudity and implied sexuality and professionalism simultaneously, is one that is widely held, largely erroneous, and intensely personal to me.

There is no connection between sexuality and intelligence. You can be smart and sexy, you can be sexual and sexy.

Also look up Cara Santa Maria, a very smart woman who is a science communicator and is often around people like Bill Nye, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Lawrence Krauss, etc… She has also modeled.

So I guess besides her sexuality, what about moxxi makes her come off as not intelligent? This is your second thread about her and in both you accuse her of not being intelligent and you always focus on her sexuality it seems. So please tell me where I am wrong.
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Sounds like an attempt to convince to me - and even questions my "intentions’, referencing other posts.

I guess I’m the only one who see those posts… I must be paranoid.