Other than Sal, who is best at raiding?

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#1

Maya with the Cat mod, a Bee, and matching element sandhawk has to be insane.

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#2

I actually think Cat Maya is better, against certain raids anyway. Sniper Zer0 as well, if you can land consistent crits you can melt raids.

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#3

Maya is probably the worst at raiding. Any character can BeeHawk, Maya isn’t any better than the others at that.

If you’re willing to jump hoops and make builds that are tailored specifically for raids, you will find that most characters have at least one combo that makes raid either easy or fast.

Axton has chucking builds that kill raids in less than 5 seconds
With a LOT of prep, Zero and Gaige with lots of stacks (of CA or Anarchy respectively) can beat most raids in under 2 minutes
Krieg has a build where you dont have to do anything (called AFKrieg)

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#4

Well, there is Gaige. I remember killing Pyro pete using nothing but a Grog, a shock Chopper, and 600 stacks.

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#5

[quote=“rashardcloud, post:4, topic:1541272”]a shock Chopper, and 600 stacks.[/quote]Oh that sounds awesome :metal:

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#6

Except that she has the Cat COM and attached to it are several skills that greatly increase her DPS. Any character can do it sure, but Maya excels.

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#7

Yes, she is great at Beehawking in general, but against Raids, the small advantages she gets from those DPS skills are overshadowed by the fact that half of her arsenal is useless. Most of her best skills are either phaselock dependent or they are kill skills, neither of which can be activated consistently during raids.

Gaige at 400 stacks is very close to Cat Maya in DPS with a Beehawk setup, but she gets to use her action skill, all of her BFF and LBT trees, can still use DFA and still has DT to take some of the Aggro.

Or explosive Axton with a Harold still has great aggro control, great slagging and stellar survivability, for nearly as much DPS

The only thing a Cat Maya has in solo raids are the Cat base com bonus and Reaper… that’s it. The rest are either phaselock-dependent or minor bonuses
She has low utility, low survivability and only has a DPS advantage when using SMGs

(in multiplayer raids however, that’s a different story, and Maya really shines)

If you go look at the time trial thread (if it’s still alive after the forum switch) you’ll see that all Maya times that are not “deal with the devil” based are significantly lower than other characters.

@Derch to your knowledge, does the “deal with the devil” trick work these days ?

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#8

With perfect rng and the right set up krieg can.1-shot most of the raids. Faster then sal

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#9

You can kinda get it going but not to raid,it’s tricky.

But yeah on the beeehawking Maya doesnt really do it better since additive bonuses don’t hit amp damage. So Maya only really has reaper which only helps for half the raids health and shields if they have them. Once the health bar goes below half she has nothing to boost the amp.

Yeah she helps the hawk it’s self but it’s nothing compared to CA, Chucking, Money Shot, Anarchy, or Bloodsplosion shenanigans.

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#10

If you define “best at raiding” by:

Easily and consistently beat raids solo in a short time

…Then Axton is probably your number 2 guy

Krieg either requires a bit of luck (bloodsplosion), or a lot of time (AFKrieg)
and Zero and Gaige require a lot of time to stack, or a lot of skill without stacks

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#11

Well there are those new ~4 second hyperious kills with Maya. Based around the antagonist. Those are the 2nd fastest kills right behind the axton chucking kills. To my knowledge

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#12

Never heard of those

(edit: isn’t it that thing where you need 2 Mayas shooting at each other?.. if so, that’s not in the same ballpark as all the other examples who do it solo)

And Sal does Hyperius in less than 2 seconds, so she would still be 3rd

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#13

Pimp/Ahab can do it that fast or is there another set up? I think the antagonist kills were a relatively new discovery.

Edit: its early so don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it done solo

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#14

Nope, Pimp/RL. Sljm has a very good (and very short) demo.

…Would have been even faster with a Duuurp

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#15

I stand corrected. The world record time for a solo Maya vs hyperious is ~14 seconds.

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#16

There is the always beautiful Zer0 Hyperius kill using Quasars, DPUH, and B0re!

I love seeing my screen freeze, hearing the B0re sound, and then seeing a sudden lootsplosion!

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#17

Fixed it :smile:

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#18

Oh my god… He wasnt even wearing a Bee!!!

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#19

Nope

At best The Bee is a useful tool, and it has its place in the game, but most truly interesting builds and combos don’t rely on it at all.

at worst, it is a crutch that hampers your development as a player

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#20

Personally I hate the Bee, especially when soloing. I take damage, and the bee pretty much evaporates.

There are 2 situations there it is nice for me:

  1. When I can snipe
  2. When I am helping someone power level by using Marcus’ shop & quest exploit.
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