In addition to what’s listed in either post, item dumpers/spewers. These aren’t simply dropping one item, but TONS of items. The annoying thing about it is that the items are so obviously hacked, sporting otherwise incompatible prefixes like Trick Shot Unkempt Harold</font color>.
The most recent example is a Dragons session I joined last night. The host dropped a few RTIs…at first. I don’t really remember offhand the prefixes for Maliwan SRs, but I discarded the Dobby Volcano after finding the thing sported no scope and looked weird. So I also dropped the Pitchfork (slag) and the Social Bitch (NE), even if the latter two looked alright.
Was waiting for progression, but when the group started making weird movements on the map, I doubled back to the VMs…and found piles everywhere that looked completely legit, were obviously incompatible, or had no level.
Those are, fortunately, behaviors of rookies or people who don’t care. Rookies can be shown proper etiquette. People who don’t care are just a part of the online scene regardless of the title (and can at least be kicked or abandoned). Those behaviors show up like this in Borderlands, but there will be a similar list for any online game.
In TF2, for example, you get Medics running around with their syringe guns in the middle of combat instead of healing, people who steal metal from the Engineers during match prep, players who won’t ready up in MVM forcing the rest of the team to sit out the entire countdown timer, Engineers who put teleport exits facing into corners, etc. Some are amateurs, and some just don’t care.
If TF2 wasn’t totally server based, I guarantee people would similarly be hemorrhaging illegitimate gear in matches, so I consider this population of illegitimate weapon dealers a small price to pay that BL2 is not server based.
I don’t know, I quite like the absurd syringe-toting play style in both bl and tf2. It can be hilarious at times forsaking objectives and/or sanity.
That said it can be really annoying if people hijack a game you actually wanted to make progress on. My rough rule is you’re a guest so should be courteous to the host.
I don’t have words for how much hacking gets under my skin. I guess if you bought the game you can do as you like, but to bring eg gibbed gear into coop deserves a one-way trip to the grinder!
The things I hate most are people with insanely high BAR instakilling everything, constantly abusing the Sham/Norfleet, and D-bags who freeze your game intentionally with the Mongol.
@BTK420247 Just saw the Mongol video on the wiki; hate to admit that I want one, but only for offline play; for online, I won’t deny Shamfleet is still my crap [=go-to] weapon, but preferably with as direct fire as possible:
Maliwan Norfleet (groundward with Maya’s Restoration) – dire circumstances only
Maliwan PBFG
Tediore Launcher (E-Tech)
Also, I fail to see the point of manually raising BAR that high; this isn’t to say that I support hacking it either – in fact, far from it as it would defeat the purpose of the game.
Will agree on Shamfleet spammers, tho – I wince when I see some random pulling an Arthur spam (from MvC3).
When I join another game I follow the host letting them choose where to go, I inform them of loot and only collect it myself if the host has left it. I don’t do mission objectives if the host hasn’t already been doing the mission.
What gets under my skin is the use of rocket launchers in my game during general mobbing, if I join your game go ahead. I enjoy the satisfaction of precision weapons, so if someone Shamfleets in my game I give a warning and then kick them.
The other bug is I find most players wear a bee shield for everything. Raiding and the peak sure but you don’t need a bee shield for bloodshot. I sometimes even see Salvador’s rocking a bee shield!
For the record, I’m not saying that this behavior is acceptable… it’s one of the reasons I pay a buck to play Mann Up Mode in TF2’s MVM; the tolerance for that sort of behavior is much lower, so it’s rare that I have to deal with someone who isn’t working with the team. Indeed - some players can be rather overzealous in kicking people they find aren’t playing properly, but the average tolerance level pretty much precludes that sort of riff raff.
Sporting a bee isn’t quite the same as shamfleeting though - you can be a lot more subtle with it and it demands careful strategy to avoid its vulnerabilities. I find at OP8 it can be very useful, not least in multiplayer games when the difficulty is intense - it’s preferable to dying all the time!
I completely get where you’re coming from though. Spamming rockets at everything that moves can be fun but not in multiplayer. I sometimes use it for emergencies.
Of course that backfired on me yesterday when I was doing Terra, hiding behind the rock with my partner, attempted to switch to the Infinity to heal him but forgot I had a norfleet equipped and killed myself immediately. D’oh!
I agree that a bee and fleeting are different, but I see plenty using broken setups and throwing a bee on to top it off. I personally use the bee throughout op8 peak, because my dps can’t keep up otherwise. I don’t however see a need on 2 player difficulty to bring a sandhawk and bee to every encounter, especially when I see most of these players useing play styles where the bee remains down.
Fair point - if you’re never actually using the amp bonus, you might as well go for a rough rider! (In all seriousness I actually find a Maya + rough rider + legendary health mod + skill points poured into harmony can be infinitely more fun than beehawking)
Actually what irks me most isn’t playstyles, it’s when people jump into your game when there’s obviously no match. Yesterday someone joined me 60 Gaige with a 65 and it screwed things up - struggle to kill anything and irrelevant weapon drops. I also get annoyed with 72 and OP8s who ‘help’ new players by diving into their first game and destroying everything. I have a friend who was put off borderlands for life by that experience in her first session - tragedy!
1- what do you consider insanely high? My BAR is at 25% with over 500 unspent tokens…
2- since I don’t use RL unless I’m going for prestige challenges, how does a Mongol mess up a game?
If you earned your badass ranks, why not use them? It’s a testament to your time commitment and effort in completing challenges the game sets you. Unless they’re hacked, I don’t really get how it’s annoying in the way cheating is? Just another feature of the game I really like!
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I completely get where you’re coming from though. Spamming rockets at everything that moves can be fun but not in multiplayer. I sometimes use it for emergencies.
[/quote]That’s the sole reason I use ETRLs – FFYL, or if we’re being overrun with nigh-unkillables; otherwise, I stick to non-ETRLs to avoid freezing. Like I said somewhere, I advised a friend to not spam the Norfleet in online because the game can’t handle how awesome it is. (Joking, yes…mostly.)
I didn’t want to seem like I was pushing it, but now that it’s come up, @Prismatic might clarify if that’s a total ban on ETRLs in his session, or allowance only for emergencies; being overzealous with it, of course, is totally out.
[quote=“Prismatic_Me, post:7, topic:1281924”]The other bug is I find most players wear a bee shield for everything. Raiding and the peak sure but you don’t need a bee shield for bloodshot. I sometimes even see Salvador’s rocking a bee shield![/quote]Huh, I wear a Sham for everything. Partly for Shamfleet, but mostly for (trying) to eat everything that gets thrown at me. Considering the hosts I join usually travel to places with a high human population, it works…usually.
[quote=“hattieinduni, post:15, topic:1281924, full:true”]Actually what irks me most isn’t playstyles, it’s when people jump into your game when there’s obviously no match. Yesterday someone joined me 60 Gaige with a 65 and it screwed things up - struggle to kill anything and irrelevant weapon drops. I also get annoyed with 72 and OP8s who ‘help’ new players by diving into their first game and destroying everything. I have a friend who was put off borderlands for life by that experience in her first session - tragedy![/quote]Level-spiking…
Hated it very much</font color> when I was at a numbered-level [=72 or lower]. Folks would jump in with 72s or OPs, and make things nigh-unkillable. The worst one I can remember was running Bloodshot Stronghold with a bunch of 50~60-somethings, and some 72(+) comes in. It takes awhile before I notice that enemies are becoming harder to kill. It finally hits when we enter the open area after Mike’s checkpoint, and run head-on into a Lv71 (IIRC) Shield Nomad who seems to be gaining health from eating our bullets, and one-shots us before we can turn to run.
@hattieinduni Really, they don’t care. Jumping in with a 72+ is a dick move. Several times, I’ve asked the host to remove specific player(s) for fragging-by-presence. It’s especially maddening if they join when we’re running through an area populated with Rabids, and the frickin’ (already painful) Rabid Skags/Stalkers get a performance boost…
For requesting ANY gear, it’s not a problem if I can help, or if they take the hint. When they don’t take hints, I’m almost tempted to reenact that Sal story (post #6): http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/638785-borderlands-2/69559480
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately), I’m not that much of a dick.