This thread will have the same function as @MeltintheSun’s thread about Borderlands and @DSs’s thread about Borderlands 2, but for Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel!
For the people who don’t know the aforementioned threads, their aim is to bring Gearbox’s attention to some issues still present in the game, in the hope that these will be addressed in a future patch/remastered edition.
In my opinion, this hope is not so unrealistic for this game either, considering that several hotfixes (including the one that makes five previously unobtainable or shift-locked items obtainable in game) are still active.
So, without further ado, here’s a list of some more or less important problems with Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel!
Vanilla Game
Equipment
General Balancing
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The Cradle is almost useless as it stands right now. It needs either a huge buff in damage to the grenade it throws after being depleted, or an overall stat rebalance (especially to the recharge delay) to be more on par with non-unique Tediore shields.
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The increase in accuracy, the removal of recoil and the addition of shock damage to the Zarpedon’s Cyber Eagle do not make up for the loss in magazine size and the huge decrease in damage. Either its damage should be buffed (maybe reduced only by 20% compared to an Iron?) or it should be given a bigger critical hit damage multiplier.
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The increased projectile count on the Smasher does not justify the excessive ammo consuption (3 ammo per trigger pull), considering that the Maggie shoots 6 projectiles per shot while still consuming 1 ammo for every pull of the trigger. It would be appreciated if it was reduced to at least two ammo per shot.
I also warmly recommend giving a look at this in-development Youtube playlist, which focuses on the red text guns present in Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel, their issues and how to possibly fix them.
Bugs
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Maliwan Nova Shields that grant immunity to freezing erroneously have the Grounded prefix (which would mean that the shield grants immunity to electrocute damage) instead of the correct (Warming) prefix. Here and here are a couple of examples.
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The money inside of the care packages dropped by the 3DD1.E does not scale (just like the money dropped by the Pot o’ Gold in Borderlands 2), so once picked up it will always give one or two dollars at most, regardless of the item’s level.
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If you shoot your free rocket with a Vladof rocket launcher, then swap to another weapon and finally swap back to your rocket launcher, the next shot you are going to fire will still not consume ammo. This process can be repeated over and over again without ever consuming rockets (here is a demonstration).
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In the Italian version of the game, the Storm class mod for Athena says “+shock resistance” instead of “+shock damage”. This can lead to some confusion.
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The Supernova’s quite buggy. First off, it can spawn with four different materials (common, uncommon, rare and epic) and, depending on which it spawns with, its stats can even be altered (here is a demonstration). Furthermore, when it spawns with an uncommon material, it erroneously displays a magenta rarity (just like e-tech weapons from Borderlands 2).
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The Deadly Bloom always spawns as a purple shield despite being legendary (just like in Borderlands 2).
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Old Hyperion weapons (except for lasers) do not get matching parts bonuses: they neither receive a bonus to reload speed or magazine size when having an Hyperion grip or get a bonus to damage when spawning with an Hyperion barrel. Here is a thread where the issue is more deeply discussed and analyzed. Fixing this bug would allow for more competition between new and old Hyperion weapons (which are currently pretty underused) as well as making weapons like the Omni-Cannon, RedBelly’s Black Snake and the Cheat Code much more viable.
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The Vibra Pulse’s extra shock tethers can get orphaned and last forever in the environment until the player leaves the area (here is a demonstration). They’re not only visually annoying, but also really noisy when you get near them. The special chain lightning effect of the Vibra Pulse can also transfer to other Maliwan beam lasers whether the Moxxi weapon is equipped or just in your inventory (here is a demonstration).
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The Ice Scream’s special sound effect might play even when you are firing another Vladof assault rifle with the Vladof spinigun barrel, whether the Ice Scream is equipped or just in your inventory. Apparently, this can happen even if the Ice Scream is only in your bank, if you are in an area with a bank present (Concordia, Deck 13 ½ and the Cortex).
Miscellaneous
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It would be cool if unique weapons with missing unique skins (such as the Fridgia, the Torguemada, Marek’s Mouth, the Bullpup, the Boganella, Miss Moxxi’s Slammer, the Asteroid Belt, the Haymaker and the Rapid Release) had one.
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The Flyin’ Maiden is not legitimately obtainable in game.
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Completing the quest
The Bestest Story Ever Toldrewards you with the Frostfire in Normal Mode and with a head in True and Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode. It would be cool to be able to obtain this SMG even at max level, since there is no point in obtaining the same head more than once. -
Many red text weapons (specifically the 88 Fragnum, Logan’s Gun, the Maggie, the Shooterang, the Hammer Buster II, the Major Tom, the Shredifier, the Cat o’ Nine Tails, the Min Min Lighter, the Badaboom, the Mongol, Sledge’s Shotty, the Viral Marketer, the HellFire, the Invader, the Magma, the Pitchfork, the Celestial class mods, the Bouncing Bazza, the Fire Bee, the Leech, the Nasty Surprise, the Pandemic, the Rolling Thunder, the Storm Front, the Avalanche, the Bigg Thumppr, the Fabled Tortoise, the Kala, the Reogenator, The Cradle, The Sham, the Whisky Tango Foxtrot, the Deadly Bloom, the Boomacorn, The Machine, the Ol’ Painful and the Jack o’ Cannon) do not have a specific drop source. Since many bosses and unique enemies aren’t associated with unique drops, we could hit two birds with one stone and assign them some of the aforementioned weapons.
Here's an hypothetical "chart" (as reported in post #46) of how these unique drops could be shuffled around/reassigned.
88 Fragnum: Phuper Phonic Kraggon
Logan’s Gun: […]
Maggie: Oscar
Shooterang: Fair Dinkum
Hammer Buster II: Maureen *
Major Tom: Badass Lost Legion Marine
Shredifier: Meat Head
Cat o’ Nine Tails: Badass Shuggurath
Min Min Lighter: Swagman
Badaboom: Badass (lil’) Outlaw
Mongol: Poop Deck*Sledge’s Shotty: Badass (lil’) Scav
Viral Marketer: Badass Boil
Hellfire: Son of Flamey
Invader: Lunestalker Senior
Magma: Magma Rivers
Pitchfork: RK-5
Celestial class mods: Chubby Stalker (guaranteed)
Bouncing Bazza: Tork Goddess
Fire Bee: Scavenger Beast *
Leech: Wally Wrong
Nasty Surprise: Badass Rathyd
Pandemic: Lazlo
Rolling Thunder: […]
Storm Front: Deadlift
Avalanche: Rabid AdamsBigg Thumppr: Badass (lil’) Lunatic
Fabled Tortoise: […]
Flyin’ Maiden: Dan Zando *
Kala: Badass Stalker
Reogenator: Red
The Cradle: […]
The Sham: Opha Superior
Whisky Tango Foxtrot: […]
Deadly Bloom: Fallen ReaperBoomacorn: Deadlift
The Machine: RK-5
Ol’ Painful: Son of Flamey
Jack o’ Cannon: Rabid Stalkers
Bullpup: Tork Leviathan
Smasher: Tork Augur
*=currently unrespawnable
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It would be cool if the Punisher luneshine effect (+10% critical hit damage) could not spawn on weapons incapable of scoring critical hits (rocket launchers, assault rifles with Torgue barrels, the Jack o’ Cannon, the Boomacorn, the Min Min Lighter, the Logan’s Gun etc.), since it could only benefit a Lawbringer specced in Tombstone.
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The Harden Up luneshine effect (+3% maximum shield on kill) is a bit shy, would increasing it to 10% really make it broken?
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Would it be possible to allow the melee accessory to spawn even on Maliwan, Dahl and Tediore lasers?
Character Specific Issues
Athena
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Sometimes, Athena’s Aspis will become transparent while you are holding it; I’m unsure about the cause of this glitch (maybe it’s triggered by repeatedly attacking an enemy with melee while the Aspis is active?).
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The radius of Epicenter is too tiny, being as large as that of a normal butt slam. If making it the same size as that of Polar Vortex or of a Singularity Grenade is considered too unbalanced, maybe the skill could also slightly reduce your slam damage as a trade-off for the increased radius.
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Damage dealt by You’ve Got Red On You scales poorly.
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In the Italian version of the game, the skill Mercurial is called “Mercurial” when viewed in the skill tree, but it is called “Vivace” on the class mods’ text.
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Hades’ Shackles’ damage is kind of lackluster being a capstone; it could use a little buff.
Claptrap
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Apparently, One Last Thing’s bonus damage has become additive since the 10/29/2015 update (here are more info and a demonstration); until then it used to be multiplicative. Now, I am not complaining about this change, since the skill is still powerful, but I’m unsure whether it was intentional or not.
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Hyperion Punch needs several tweaks to make it worth speccing into (considering that incendiary damage is resisted by enemies in most scenarios, that it is a tier five skill and that it has to compete with One Last Thing): reduce the time before the actual punch is thrown after pressing the melee button, increase the punch’s flight speed, buff its explosion radius and considerably increase its damage.
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Sometimes the decorations present on Claptrap’s body while an action package is running (for example the cowboy hat that is applied during One Shot Wonder) will get stuck and stay on Claptrap’s body even when the action skill duration ends or another one is running. In order to remove them, it’s necessary to save and quit.
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Sometimes the double bars that show the ammo present in the chamber of your equipped weapon during Funzerker (the purple ones similar to those that Nisha displays when she’s holding a pistol while being specced into One For Each of Ya) will get stuck and be displayed even after Funzerker ends. In order to remove them, it is necessary to save and quit.
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If you melee-cancel the reloading animation of your weapon or throw a grenade as soon as the
Funzerkeraction package ends, Claptrap won’t use his left hand for the rest of the session. So, when you reload, the old loader flies out of the weapon before the new one flies into it. Also, the melee animation will still be performed, but it won’t be visible. Click here, here or here for more demonstrations.
Nisha
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Wanted’s bonus damage scales poorly.
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Let Snap Shot increase accuracy and not max accuracy.
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Gunslinger is useless, maybe this could be fixed by making the added projectiles free (therefore not making it work with rocket launchers) and letting this skill trigger reload related skills (namely Hell’s Comin’ With Me! and Quick Shot).
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Nisha’s default melee animation is too slow.
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While a Lawbringer specced into One For Each of Ya is in a Moon Zoomy’s menu asshe’s holding a pistol, her body will be in a very awkward position when viewed by other players.
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If a Lawbringer specced into One For Each of Ya touches the pole at the center of Eleseer to enter The Vault of the Sentinel while holding a pistol, up until you save and quite she won’t use her right hand to hold any weapon other than a pistol. She also will not be using it to reload, so the empty loader will fly out of the weapon and the new one into it (here is a demonstration).
Wilhelm
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Killswitch…is not that good, but there are many possible ways to make it better: buff its explosive damage, increase the blast radius, let its damage be increased by Rolling Thunder, remove the self-damage or all of the above.
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Cold War does not function properly: this skill has a chance to proc only when a DOT procs on an enemy that is already suffering from a DOT of a different element. Furthermore, corrosive dots caused by Venom Bolts cannot proc Cold War, and will prevent other corrosive dots from doing it while they’re active on the same enemy (here’s more information).
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Omega Strike’s explosive damage is kind of lackluster being it a capstone. It also does not get boosted by Rolling Thunder.
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Meteor Slam is totally out of place in its tier. It should, at least, increase slam damage alongside with radius to be worth speccing into.
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The shock tethers caused by Termination Protocol could use a buff in damage.
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Explosive damage dealt by Kinetic Armor is almost unnoticeable.
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If you activate Wolf and Saint while being specced into Rolling Thunder, and then (manually?) travel to another area, the next time you activate Wolf and Saint you will still have the stacks you gained before travelling. This can be done again and again up to 999 stacks of Rolling Thunder (here are more info and a demonstration).
Jack
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As of the 3/24/2015 update, normal digi-Jacks do not deal crazy amounts of damage once their shield becomes depleted when the player is specced into You Have My Shield and is wearing a roid shield anymore. Despite this, badass digi-Jacks’ attacks (apparently, both the wrist laser and the missile barrage) still deal huge damage when the said circumstances arise (here’s a demonstration).
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Since the spread of Diversify is pretty wide (and that this can sometimes actually lead to an overall reduction of your digi-Jacks’ DPS), it would be beneficial if instead, once specced into this skill, the melee attack of your digi-Jacks got replaced by it.
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If you press the melee button to trigger Merger and then quickly activate Expendable Assets, you will be firing your wrist laser forever (here are more info and demonstration).
Aurelia
- If a Baroness wielding a sniper rifle with a fire rate of approximately 9 or higher shoots at an enemy fully automatically while being specced into I Never Miss, the stacks of said skill won’t be registered correctly. Specifically, the stacks that you will get will not be as many as the number of shots you landed on a target, like if the stack counter could not keep up with your fire rate.
Quests
- You will not be able to take the gyroscope if you try to do it in the same session as the one you accepted
No Such Thing As a Free Launchin. In order to grab it, you need to save and quit first.
Challenges
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Rank five of the
Crouch Potatochallenge (kill 3200 enemies with an assault rifle while crouched) is exaggeratedly time consuming to achieve. -
Rank five of the
That Was Unpleasantchallenge (kill 750 Shuggurath) is exaggeratedly time consuming to achieve.
Miscellaneous
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Apparently, if you deal considerable damage to Felicity Rampant without damaging her legs, her eye will still be registered as a critical hit spot, but it will not receive additional damage compared to the rest of the body.
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Meteors tend to disappear instead of staying on the ground if the player sees them falling from space.
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If the Scavenger Beast in Outlands Spur was made respawnable, a unique drop could be attached to it.
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Making Poop Deck respawnable would render acquiring a level 70 Cathartic Oz Kit much easier. By doing so, another unique drop could also be attached to him.
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I do not really see the necessity for items below level 70 to drop in Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode when only level 70 players are present. It is really aggrovating to come across a rare item just to find out that it is level 68 because reasons.
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If Maureen (from the Wherefore Art Thou? quest) in Triton Flats was made respawnable, then a unique drop could be attached to her.
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Every time you enter the Titan Industrial Facility, a Felicity’s voice line plays, even after she is killed.
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It would be more time efficient if the game saved the vehicle weapon preference, so that those who don’t always use the default weapon didn’t have to de-select it every time.
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If you hit a Shuggurath with your Stingray while boosting, the enemy will suffer from a ragdoll glitch and…basically fly out of the map (here is a demonstration).
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Would it be possible to add an option for Moon Stones to be automatically picked up?
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If the Badass Kraggon before the Pity’s Fall entrance was made respawnable, farming for the Four Seasons would be much easier.
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After level 50 (and especially level 60), the game becomes incredibly stingy in terms of XP, making reaching level 70 a long, long, long deal.
The Holodome Onslaught
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Add the Quasar to Powersuit Felicity’s loot pool…or at least give her a loot pool!
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It would be cool if a quick change station was present in the area, since there is one in every dlc campaign in both Borderlands 2 and Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel!
The Claptastic Voyage
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In the Cortex, there are two non-solid walls: one near the quick change station and the bank, the other near the vending machines.Furthermore, going through the last one I mentioned, can allow you to get back in the Mutator Arena and continue to fight (thus not failing the quest) if you’re playing in co-op.
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Old Hyperion glitch weapons’ stats are completely the same as those of new Hyperion glitch weapons, apart from the matching parts bug, which makes old Hyperion glitch weapons always objectively worse.
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Old Hyperion glitch sniper rifles do not exist.
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Apparently, after completing the quest The Temple of Boom and siding with Gladstone, Claptrap’s Consciousness’ voice line that plays when you turn the mission in will play again every time you enter the Subconscious.
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It would be appreciated if Spy Bugs decloaked more often or had some sort of shimmer like Stalkers or Hyperion Infiltrators do since, differently from the mentioned enemies, they move in a 3D plane.
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If you swap from a glitch Jakobs sniper rifle with the Loop glitch active to another weapon, and then quickly swap back to the sniper rifle, the Loop glitch will be applied to every single weapon you equip (here are more info and demonstration).
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The fact that this dlc’s barrels respawn makes the player feel unsafe when proceeding through the battlefield, making him/her always check every corner before advancing. Now, I am not saying that barrel regeneration should be removed (because it seems an unlikely thing to happen), but maybe their refreshing rate could be slowed down a little? Perhaps around the same retreading time as volatile bits?
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When shooting at the Denial Subroutine as Nisha while Showdown is running, the cross air will be locked on the base of the enemy’s body and not on his eyes (its critical hit spot). This can make the fight much longer and ammo consuming.
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If you have the quest “1337 h4x0rz” in your mission log in a failed status when entering the game, once in the Cortex you will only see two glitch chests when no mutator is selected, and you will not receive any final loot regardless of the mutators you had previously chosen.
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The Decommissioned Loader in Deck 13 ½ does not have any critical hit spots.
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It would be really useful if a quick change station was present in Deck 13 1/2, near the target dummies. This would make testing different builds and skills much more practical.
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I do not see a reason in not allowing players to get near the target dummies in Deck 13 ½. Removing the invisible walls that prevent you from doing so would allow players to test melee damage, low accuracy weapons and multi projectile weapons more efficiently.
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Sometimes, enemies inside of The Cortex will spawn (or teleport, in 5H4D0W-TP’s case) inside of walls and structures. In particular, Bugs will sometimes get stuck in the ceiling where the swirling vortex cloud is. This glitch can eventually lead to the incapability to complete the quest.
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At the center of The Cortex, around the pole in the middle of the arena, there is an invisible wall that blocks you and your bullets but not your enemies. So, if an enemy goes there, you won’t be able to harm him until he decides to get out. Furthermore, loot dropped beyond this invisible wall is often impossible to pick up.
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EOS cannot be painted by Laser Guided.
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If you go in Fight for Your Life mode during the “1337 h4x0rz” mission while having the Vampires mutator active, you won’t get your health replenished once you manage to get out of it by killing an enemy.
What You Can Do to Support this Thread
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Credits To:
@MeltintheSun for his thread about the current issues with Borderlands. Check it out here.
@DSs for his thread about the current issues with Borderlands 2. Check it out here.
@Chuck80, for encouraging me to open this thread and for reporting to the community some of the bugs present in this post. Check out his guide about Nisha’s skill trees here.
@Derch, for his awesome “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” playlist. Check it out here.
@Joltzdude139, for his video content. Check out his Youtube channel here.
@khimerakiller, for his video content. Check out his Youtube channel here.
@Sljm, for his thread about the use of colors in the New Forums. Check it out here.
Admiral Bahroo, for his video content. Check out his channel here.
Morninafterkill, for his video featuring Nisha’s left hand glitch. Check out his channel here.
@somebody248d, for his thread about the behavior of Cold War. Check it out here.
@Hoyle4, for his thread about the glitches regarding old Hyperion weapons. Check it out here.